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Welcome this is yeah There we are we are an hour earlier than usually and Australia went to daylight saving there's our turn for the summer now doesn't look like it yet, but getting there and And We can start from The fact that you all are welcome you are welcome welcome to existence Yes, I had a conversation this morning Which is kind of highlighting the the funny fact that is often difficult to swallow for people in general What do you mean? We are all one? Doesn't even sound right you know we and one in which Way we are one and why we or are we the same or are we different?
You know there is unique differences between us and yet there is something that is the same What is the same? What is the same between me and him? Are you guys or any other living creature? the cat dog the tree or any other form like three a country a concept a Thought a feeling an idea Yes, so those are not to be a mental speculations. This is not to be Something that we are discussing as a philosophical topic This is known intuitively. It is innately known as what Now the problem of labeling and naming comes up But there is the isness the isness itself which can't be named Is there underlying every form is showing up as every form Bob had this beautiful elegant one-liner?
Which says which is the title of a book one essence? up expressing appearing expressing and What? As ever One essence appearing as everything I think is the title of the book, but yes shaping forming patterning as everything one essence, so that is one it Appears as a thought it appears as a cut it appears as a concept as a collective for example daylight saving idea That suddenly becomes religion and half of the world subscribes and and then the clocks are moved and what is the time really? If not just another agreed upon reality agreed upon reality and then the clocks are moved and what is the time really if not just another agreed upon reality If not just another agreed upon reality Which sets up a certain rules for the game in the dream so it actually?
makes the dream Kind of known the mind is time Bob would often say and that Fact that the mind can actually relate to another mind and again. It seems like there is more than one through the concept of time Makes the territory known and familiar We can agree upon what? Time we meet what time we go to work what time we celebrate and it makes it or is someone else coming okay, so For the guys who are with us on Facebook Welcome and there is five of us now and again because of the daylight savings we may expect later on People joining and welcome David and welcome Michael and We have cleven Heyman here with us We have cleven Heyman here with us So I will be I will be hoping for your contributions.
Oh my goodness. Come come here Yeah, hey man's not a cat person and cats are just just harassing him He's patient Yes, so Back back to the back to the basics and mind this time Time is mind and we have a question hi everyone from David That's not a question okay, so if you want to at any point interrupt unmute say something or comment Same with the guys in Facebook ask question Or you guys if you want to? Hop in That would be helpful He says good morning to all from Facebook as well hmm. Yeah morning So time is mind mind Is time? time creates the territory for the minds to feel familiar so Popular drugs I think are so dangerous and so scary and so of course when the mind is unstable because they distort the sense of time and suddenly people get lost suddenly people get I don't know it or whatever But if the mind is steady and healthy enough That kind of brings a sense of curiosity and adventurousness all the so-called altered states of consciousness which again suggests that there are such things as states But those are again that one one energy one essence patterning and shaping and forming states You know the different state one could say is when you are in a good mood When you are happy to be when you wake up after good night's sleep?
And had a nice good cold shower and get a couple of compliments from your loved ones Life is good. That's a different state of consciousness Then when you are whatever low energy be 12 deficient depressed Life is shit you take everything personally on that the level of consciousness is also different Level this is just a concept But we know how the energy to live the dream is cruising And is changing is constantly varying Weather is changing Outside weather is changing seasons are changing inner weather is also changing the moods are changing What is it that doesn't? what is it that is always there through all those changes and You can see that there is again back to that one essence Which cannot be named and which cannot be described and it cannot even be called it Because it isn't really it If it permeates everything or it underlies everything or this prior or before everything like space Then it can't be even it Because this is the I am this is the sense of existence If not for that I am that sense of existence None of those changes could ever be witnessed and registered.
We have someone else joining us and Welcome Anant so non-duality investigations are always about coming back to that which is Changeless underlying all expressions and appearances always here unborn timeless spaceless bodiless mindless and Looking at it from the perspective of the mind Is fruitless is pointless because pointless it is pointless because the mind cannot grasp understand comprehend non-duality Because for the mind it is just a concept For the mind non duality is an empty idea while again in the direct experience of existence It is just that it is only that There is nothing but that There is nothing but that division in that natural state come from the dividing tool come from the mind Come from the mind trying to define the boundaries defined concepts the whole mind which is roughly a language model and Roughly the language is a symbolic language.
It creates definitions. This is Dean This is cliff Heyman. This is a computer a cat definitions based on the assumed boundaries or agreed upon boundaries they can only be here because there is a presence because there is an existence if Not for the presence of one could say consciousness or existence There's no mind there is no language model. There's no cognitive capacity. There is no possibility to even define any boundaries so habitually for the survival purposes attention gravitates towards the mind and again the conversation I had this morning was around the ideas of survival which is what the mind is proficient for and what one could assume is designed for protecting providing safety in every possible way if someone gives me a feedback and I'm in a low energy that feedback will be experienced as a criticism and that criticism will cause the resistance and will make me want to run away from the situation rather than learn from it if I'm in a good space I will be very grateful because that will save me time in learning on my own mistakes that's that that's the mind so it is vital and valid to work on mind training if anyone is moved to do that it helps to have the healthy outlook on the world the healthy outlook on yourself and on others to see to be able to use the language model appropriately to be able to label efficiently it helps within the dream but again this is all secondary it all wouldn't matter if you weren't present if there was no consciousness so we leave that mind training stuff the different modalities to therapies to other spiritual paths and fascinating by all means and unavoidable absolutely like Bob would sit and do the crosswords different puzzles, people read books, people watch the documentaries.
Those are all forms of training the mind. I mean, everything that people do in life, because this is a malleable language model which constantly updates, constantly adds, it is unavoidable. And trauma release therapies and singing, dancing, grounding, running, beautiful, beautiful expressions within the dream. Nothing wrong with any of that. I sometimes get the question asked, and so did Bob, why are we so opposing the meditation? What do we have against it? I said, oh, well, I don't know. It's a long question. There is no objection to anything that anyone does in their dream. Someone is joining us. Howard, hey. We just, yeah. So we got Steve Heyman and a few people on the Zoom.
You can just wave the hand and I will see you. There we are. Yay. So where were we? We were at the different forms of meditation. The different forms of the mind training that are absolutely beautiful, grounded, fascinating, meditations, mindfulness, beautiful, beautiful modalities, which are only possible because you are. If there is no presence of consciousness, no meditation, no mindfulness, no grounding techniques, nothing could even take place. So there is no objection from non-duality to absolutely anything that appears. So the basic predicament is no one has a choice. No one is a doer. If a particular body-mind machine like this meditating teacher here, hearing loud here, is moved to sit still and meditate and pair, who's there to object to that?
There is no one here. We say life is just unfolding through every possible means. So there is no one who can choose to do one thing, or another. Thought appears and action follows. So if there is a movement to join a silent retreat, that's what's going to happen. If the movement is charged, that is going to happen. If there is a movement then to justify, why am I doing it? What for? Don't I get it? I'm still seeking. This is wrong. Well, that is what is happening also. That sort of a narrative is happening. So there is no, it doesn't even make sense. So the idea is to encourage or discourage people from any behavior if they are not the doers.
And yet encouraging and discouraging may happen as well. And everything, the whole field, the whole energy field moves by a resonation. So I may come to a party and get encouraged to go and dance. And the response may appear in the body or it may not. Again, even though it looks like a very, very elaborate set of cautions, and effects and actions it is just a just a basic happening the same way the weather is happening the front is moving and the head of the front is is heavy with rain and then the rain falls and then the front moves further then the sunshine follows the same way anything in life happens so there is nothing wrong oh jane would you like to unmute yeah that's all um really good cat uh and related to that is i've been thinking about um bob's um saying as it is uh you know un unaltered unmodified and uncorrected and um so that's very related to what you're saying you know we're not the doer and life will unfold what what about if you've got you know three chaotic kids so you know what so you just leave them as so can you say more about that do you just end up being so it's a fine line you know for me about that very saying it appeals to me and i use it quite a lot to my you know when i'm busy getting angry with someone or you know just leave it let it flow but i can say okay so there's a it's a very powerful word for it i mean it's so interesting how quickly you're getting angry if sometimes you've got three you're looking after three kids who are you know causing absolute bedlam you can't exactly do that can you do that so do you have a a criteria or how when when you become a doer when you slap those kids risks so when you when when you yell at them well the truth is you see let me see how am i gonna deal with those kids because you're going to be there sometimes you can't exactly do that you have to look at the front a bit kids.
What am I going to say? I don't know. I don't know my next thought. Maybe next thought is going to be a scream or maybe next thought is going to be encouraging kids to play together and dance and whatever. I don't know. Therefore, I'm curious. Let me see. So, yes. Oh, it's still the same. It's still the same. Totally. You don't sort of go with the flow and then all of a sudden you have to... Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Cliff's going to answer to that. Jane, just interesting, your question. And I would say yes, you go with the flow, but your response might be different every time.
It would just come up naturally that either you shout at them or you might ignore them or want to discipline them or you've just read a book on managing children or something. Yeah. And you might not try and apply that technique, but it will just come. And then you might think afterwards, oh, that was the wrong response. But that's also just the natural mind doing its thing. And you may or may not get better at it as you go, but that is life. And we want to try and control the outcome or control what's going to happen, but we're pretty powerless on that. We might learn something and think, oh, last time I did that, I wasn't that happy after that way of responding.
And you might respond differently or you might forget all about that and respond the same old way as you have done a hundred times before. Yeah. So it fits nicely within the framework, doesn't it? In a way, it's letting go of their mind, trying to control the events all the time or thinking that it's got the power to control the events and then blaming yourself for it not happening the way you would have thought it might have happened. That's all. Yeah. And also you can trust that life is going to move you. Because you don't know the next thought, you do have to rely on that inspiration to come from somewhere.
And it comes from life. It comes like Bob would say, inspire means... Breathe in. It's like spirit in, the air in, and now you're inspired. And you discover your activities, but you can trust life. That this system, what Cliff was saying, and that's a really valid point. This system has the capacity to upgrade itself and update itself. So if particular behavior really, really works, it may be tried again. It may have different success rate. Yeah. And it will, again, it's a self-correcting mechanism. This bio computer is so brilliant. You can trust that at any point it is going to be doing the very, very best according to its programming, according to what's installed in that language model, which sort of...
I don't even know how it's... What are the metaphors now? Like you have the chat GPT models getting wiser and wiser and smarter and smarter. And of course, you have the AI, you have the AI, you have the AI. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it goes different way at some point. At some point, it might start reversing, and it may start... Self-sabotaging. You could be self-sabotaging. I mean, there's plenty of people who spend... so it's not necessarily this whole system of, you're not the doer and just wait for inspiration.
I mean, you know, many, many people are habitually self-sabotage. And that, if you actually look at that, this is also a self-preservation. It sounds counterintuitive. And I know a few people who have that very, very strong tendency. And if you, again, look from the biocomputer sort of a perspective, you know, suddenly you have someone who is growing up in a dysfunctional family who is absolutely not very happy, but is fairly comfortable and familiar with the situation of dysfunction, with poverty. And then suddenly that person starts making something of the life and it starts getting wealthier, it starts getting more recognition. And it feels wrong. It feels stressful.
It feels like this is something out of place. Because the language model, the whole database, says I'm relaxed and comfortable in the familiar environment. This is unfamiliar. This is scary. Let's put it back to where we can walk on autopilot with our eyes blindfolded. This is not ideal, absolutely. But from the perspective of the algorithm, of that language model, it does make sense. Though, of course, those models can, and this is, again, the work for the therapy. There are other models, and other modalities. Those models, the minds can be trained, can be updated and upgraded. They can be hypnotized. Certain behaviors can be changed, rehearsed to a certain extent.
And that, you know, that highly anxious sort of responses coming from a lot of trauma, they can be rewritten. And we can even see it in the animals, where without the animals, without particular, you know, like brainwashing techniques or rapid eye movements techniques, it still settles the moment the threatening agent is removed. But with humans, there are tools at their disposal. But this is all within the context of the dream. To recognize first that none of that would have taken place if not for the presence of consciousness. If you weren't here, you couldn't go into this traumatic, self-sabotaging situation. So giving the credit where credit is due.
First thing first. Yes, sabotaging behavior runs on the autopilot, but it only runs because I'm present, because I'm here. Life knows itself through this vehicle, through this, you know, the so-called God or omnipresence, present through this particular machine, translated into seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling, and sabotaging behaviors and self-defeating behaviors and mental illness. All that is an expression of that existence of that omnipresence. So the main purpose is I know that I am. That's that. Yes, go on. I might just say something. Just the coming out of that consciousness and the attention is going there on this issue of... You know, how do you react to your children in certain circumstances?
Just that the attention is there and the thinking is going into that and trying different techniques. It sort of... As that attention goes into it, that area will grow. You grow naturally. And it's not something you're forcing yourself to do, but you sort of raised it and it's something that's there. So energy is going into exploring all that. And the making of mistakes and second guessing it and thinking yourself, sabotaging whatever is all part of that growth in a way. That's what I said. Like I was just thinking of an example. I keep thinking I've got this keyboard at home and I used to play the piano as a kid.
And I keep thinking I must get back into playing the piano. But I don't do anything about it. But I know that once I start doing it and start putting the energy starts going there, and that will only come back. And of a natural sort of thing, I can't really force myself to do it. And that intentionality is there. And if that's there, the interest and the practice and all that will come out of it. It might happen one day. Who knows? Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. And that's a fantastic example. And thank you, Jane. Thank you for your question. That's really showing up, you know, how everything is the attention.
All the energy flow is actually... the attention flow. There's no difference between... because it's one, whether you call it attention, you call it energy. Even if there is an incentive or desire that's showing up as a thought now, I'm going to start, come back to playing. It's just a thought. If that thought gets more charged, it will reoccur. And it may get recharged again. And it may eventually get enough charge to get that body, get up and start the action. Yeah. And any behavior is just anything. Anything in the appearance is just the movement of attention. Like the whole dream exists because it is attended to.
Where is yesterday when you don't think about it? Thinking about it is attending to it. Where is it? It can't even be conceived of because the moment it is conceived of, it is attended to. It is created in the form of a thought. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So just noticing how... And really, this is the pointer that couldn't be overestimated. Noticing how the attention flows. Where is it attracted to? Where is it going? Is it going towards future? Oh, I will get back to the piano. Is it going to the yesterday and the guilts and the self-sabotaging behavior? Analyzing? Or is it staying here? Seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling, presence.
Appreciation of this unique, unrepeatable present moment right now, which has never been here the way it is and it is never going to be here the way it is again. It's unique and it's fresh and it's new. And see what the attention is doing. It's not to say that if the character, the personality tends to dig in the past or tends to project the future, this is wrong. You should only be mindful and present. Nothing is wrong. Watching the tendency of attention, watching your mind, watching the personality structure, it is already stepping back from that association with the mind, from the identity of the mind and just seeing how it functions.
Just watching the mind. Just watching the mind, how it functions with the curiosity. And now as I see, oh shit, this one, it has stupid, stupid, ridiculous, childish responses. That's a lot of judgment. So the responses are noticed. Tendency to judge the responses are noticed. Now, where from they are noticed, they're not really personal. This one has that tendency. And this on top of that tendency is the narrative of this sort. Hmm. Interesting. So the third layer of beating myself up because of this, this program has been installed in a childhood and this program has been installed when the language was a little bit. So those two programs seeing them arising, they don't cause any sense of bad feeling or guilt or shame or anything anymore.
Because they belong to the body mind machines. That which knows them, the noticing the presence, the consciousness, the space like awareness is completely neutral. It doesn't get this regulated because this one, whatever burp or farts, it doesn't matter. So being able to step back and be curious of what is arising and if sense of that being very, very personal, very intimate. And very wrong because his mind and I shouldn't be like this. I want to be different. If you see that as just spontaneous arising. That sense of things being personal sense of things being important or being wrong. If you see it as a spontaneous arising.
That's not you or not yours. That's none of your business. You actually, you watch it and you marvel like, wow, wow, this program. You could even be moved to see. Wow, I wonder. Everything is one. Everything is love. What sort of what form of love is this? What a survival purpose is that serving? You know, the sense of beating myself up. Oh, I'm shit. I'm good for nothing. You know, I'm too fat. I'm too stupid. And my parents also told me. I'm not. I'm not like I will never amount to anything. Why? Why this voice? And this is another form of self sabotage. What for?
What sort of motivation is that? And what's behind it? Is it really love? Doesn't look like it doesn't feel like it makes my solar plexus cringe. But because everything is one essence, everything is the love of being the must be. And I think we could. Maybe. Maybe we should not even ask. Came in for that, because he has a little bit of a high moral grounds values and ethics. So he would know will you will you yeah you know that the the thing when when you actually have this, this sense of self judgment. When you say Oh shit, you know, I should do better than that.
I should I would be better than that. And next time I'll improve, you know, and then. It translates to Oh shit. I'm not good enough. Can be honest, because. I work eight and a half hours in an office and for months and I would say years, I would say, no, I'm going to lose this occupation, lose this job because I'm not good enough. And generally when I zoom out every one and a half year, every two years, and I zoom out two or three times, by the way, in this time that I'm working, generally things get better. I get better, faster, quicker, more efficient, more skillful.
But still the self, I wouldn't say self-sabotage, self-sabotager. I would say there is a capability. There's something in me that says that's not good enough. I would say now, after some years, that voice has actually worked for me, not against me. Otherwise, I would sit comfortably and doing the same thing and getting the same result, which results in kicking me out of the job. So that sound actually pushed me towards the difficulty because that's where growth resides. So when I get really intense in my psyche, in my head, in my body, that's actually what grows. What grow is or what grow looks like. Growth is.
Yeah, there's a price that I'm paying for being comfortable because there are two kinds of comfort. There is egoistic comfort or bodily comfort. And there is a spiritual comfort, which means you settle the body, the psychology or the whole system in oneness of being. In unity of being. That's the real comfort because things happen through that being. And then you're in the middle of alignment with whatever is happening. And that's also the meaning of acceptance, I would say. God bless. Thank you. Yeah, thank you very much. That was really good. That was really clear. I think we have some comments here. Do you know? Yeah, on the same topic.
Jyoti was saying whether we will end up going with the flow or not is also not in our control. Absolutely. And wanting to go with the flow also in a way is believing in doership. Yes. Yes, that is a really good point. And thank you for highlighting it. Absolutely. You know, you think you have a choice to go with the flow or against the flow? What do you? Anybody there with a choice? No. James says, uh, why ask a hypothetical question? When you don't know what your next thought is going to be. Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes the next thought is just that hypothetical question.
And that's perfect too. And we have Michael. Uh, I think. Yeah. So, yeah. So the idea of, uh, punishment or self blame or all that sort of thing. And you're talking about, I know you guys are into the language models and playing around with those. But I was watching Hinton, the founder, the Godfather, I talk about it on a podcast and it's built the way the human mind's built. And the way that they get it accurate is by giving weight, extra weight to certain connections. And so I put our own brains, like if you, if you don't care enough about something, then why would you bother?
Like, so, and we kind of, in a way we have to force ourselves, do, do things we don't want to do to survive in the world. I don't know. That's it. Well, that's it. I'm going to pick up on that. But the thing is like, if you, if you want to achieve something or do something or change something, um, that patterning of the mind relies on that weighting of either good or bad towards or against. Yeah. So in terms of the programming of the mind, all of that stuff's really important for the mind, body thing to survive in the world and achieve things. That's very much like the last language model in that respect.
And, and none of it matters because it's not us anyway. Right. But the game that's playing out is playing out with those connections being strengthened or weakened, which could be self-sabotage or could be rewards of joy and dopamine. But yeah, I thought I'd share that. Oh, thank you for that. This, yeah, absolutely brilliant. I'm so happy. Brilliant, brilliant point. And, and yes, adding the, the weight and the temperature, you know, language models revealing so much about the nature of the mind because they are modeled from the human mind. What's important. What's my values. What would I die for and what, and where do they come from?
I have a friend with who we are doing a little bit of a, like a, like a fun sort of a process of, of, of reviewing, uh, the mind's behavior. And we ended with, with reading, uh, Bob and I gave her a book with the, like a wisdom of the Indians and she's reading a day or I'm reading, uh, this 365 days. I don't even remember the name of it, but it just shows a different values in a different culture. Like the reading that we were having yesterday was about the value. Our culture have installed and ownership about consumerism. I own the house. I own the copyright of my book.
I own this. I own this in those ancient cultures or native Indian cultures or Aboriginal cultures, different cultures. They're different models. They're different values. Such thing as I own the land is the most ridiculous idea that couldn't be even conceived of land owns me. I am this body is made of the, of the elements of the land. How could I possibly own it? But this is a different culture. And. The tendency is, oh yeah, they got it better. The grass is greener out there. Oh really? Is it okay? That culture is also self organizing universe. It organized to this and make, make the most of it.
Find a way to appreciate this. If you don't like it, okay, fine. You know, like get your home and invite all the homeless people from under the bridge. There'll be super grateful. Say that you can leave here and see if it really is. The greener on the other side, we are the product of this self organizing system and we can find a way to appreciate it. And if the judgment arises and the longing for a different, better, more inclusive and more loving models. Wow. That's another thing to appreciate also is that the dream, whatever the content of the dream is looking from that perspective of pure, pure existence, the dream is fleeting.
It's changing is amazing. It's beautiful. You can just appreciate the entertainment, the movie, but other than taking it all being a character and advocating, this is good. This is bad. I am right. You are wrong. There is a better way to be then than taking sides. And again, that, that example of the, of realizing what your language model values, what weight does it have? And I know people also that in regards to the temperature and the hallucinating parts, you know, people whose survival strategy is always changed the face to match the environment, literally like chameleons lying, lying all the time. Oh, you like this movie.
Oh, I like this too. Now I hate it, but I like this too, just so that you like me beautiful too. If you don't associate, or you don't believe, yourself to be the character, and you don't believe yourself to be the speakable character, but you are a space in which that particular strategies playing up and you can appreciate what it brings in. You can actually enjoy even the patterns that are kind of, um, they not, not generally, uh, appreciated in a society. Like, like pattern, like shoplifting, so stuff like that. And, and motivations behind appreciating the dream, looking at all those strategies and marveling at them with the perspective of this is the appearance.
There is, you know, the main and the most important thing, the realization that I am the fact of your own existence underlying every content, every movie that is cast on that screen, that purpose of life is already achieved. The essence, the omnipresence is present. Can't deny it. You don't have to think about it. You don't have to contemplate about it. You don't have to remind. I am, I am, I am, I am. It's obvious. It's the thinking and contemplating about it. It could be the, it's like talking about going with the flow before. Yes. You can't help, but go with the flow in a way.
And you, you might try or find yourself swimming against the flow and think, oh, this is very hard going or whatever, but it's the mind that comes into it and goes, oh, well, I'll always go with the flow now or next time I won't go with the flow. And it's that strategizing and thinking about the future and, and the self in regard to some action. And then you get lost in the mind thinking, this is what I'm going. To do. This is what I'm not going to do or whatever, instead of really just going with the flow in a way. It's like you are that you are the actor in the play.
Let's think about changing the play all the time. And, and that's what causes the anxiety and separation thoughts. Yeah. That is. And yeah. And that's actually crucial point because all the, all the conundrum and all the drama of, of life comes from powerlessness and the sense that I don't have enough control. The sense that I, uh, I'm losing touch with reality. Uh, I'm not running my life. My life is not the way I want it to be. How am I going to manifest a better life for myself? Better partner? How am I going to get the better dream? How on a good day to that point of enlightenment when I'm persistently experiencing only pleasure and nothing else.
Love and cosmic union, not this generally, not this something else. How do I do that? How do I get from not this to that out there? And of course, even the idea of trying to not be right here right now, but somewhere else is, is preposterous is, is idiotic is, is, is impossible and spending attention, precious attention, training your mind to persistently focus on getting there. Well, you training your language model for living in the future and living in that illusion of control. I will eventually get there. Look, I didn't know how to ride the bicycle and I took the lessons and I spent enough hours and now I can do it.
See, I can. Oh, you know, yeah, no, the language model updates itself. But the idea, the, the, the, there is a mini me, there is a mini person which does that. Mm. Again, this is the misconception. And it's the cause of much unhappiness in ourselves and in society in general. Yeah. But other than just, rather than just, uh, acknowledging that because I don't know what I'm gonna think next. Yeah. I, someone saying to me on the phone the other day, I've anxiety about doing this. that i just know i won't cope and i think that you've coped you're coping anyway you know it's like it's all happening around you and you're responding to it and you are coping and you project into the future have this idea that i won't be able to yeah do what comes naturally in a way it's all in that it's all in the thinking and now absolutely and it's all coming from love of being yes yeah obviously you know like if if i didn't give a whether i'm gonna cope or whether i'm gonna stay alive or whether i'm gonna manage my anxiety well there would be no preoccupation there would be no emotional charge in the in the matter so recognizing that the love of being takes this thing away already and then realizing that the coping mechanism is something beautiful and fascinating to watch to witness to be curious about and when i'm looking even at my own anxiety from being that space like awareness which yes already coping is already fine is nothing wrong with right now even when the body is it's nothing wrong if there is no thought that it should be different that is not that it's not there yet that's right i think we have a comment here uh revised saying it's not like riding a bike says auntie yay thank you how are you oh good i've got this now so i'll go with it please um again it's uh everything dissolves in this conversation and uh there is no reference point so uh um almost like i hope to have some problems so i can fix them and you know achieve something but that's kind of back to front you know oh dear and it seems very real the problems and it all everything seems very real and yeah in so many ways in so many levels and um and so really in this this uh commitment here to look into it all and really as you're saying the love of this the love of being is the i find it the best thing like most a lot of my life it's been that's been the main interest and even if i go off track it's it comes back again and um i yeah i go everywhere that you can speak about this and hear about it a little more often and i do know that it's becoming the point i picked up that the hear about it.
And, um, and it's, it's the main thing. And yet at the start of this conversation, there was all this, uh, I experienced all the troubles and the, yes. And the, as you were saying, the enjoyments and the, but they're not enough. Mm. Um, neither the problems nor the, uh, the enjoyment, um, and yet they're part of it all. And everything's a part of a part of this and, but very ephemeral. So passing everything. Yes. Coming back to Melbourne, you know, I was born in Melbourne, but haven't lived here long and yet, and they're a family and they're all older and, uh, there's, there are buildings and the whole thing is actually, talking of language models, everything runs on computers.
Now, you know, back in time, I, I used a piece of paper to get here and it works actually, but just in a different way. Um, but it's just amazing to see all that, all of the change and to live through the change. Um, mm. Everything's changing, but it's really, it stays the same in a way. Like it's all, it's all energy atoms and molecules in different forms and it's interpreted different ways like that. You know, what do we have in common is the being and the loving to be. And, um, that's, that's what we acknowledge and talk to all the time. And yet we see the differences all the time on, on male, your female, um, this coloring or your, that coloring with different backgrounds.
Mm-hmm. But someone told me that Namaste, that the, um, Hindu greeting is, comes through, originally comes from the, the light and love in my eyes acknowledges the light and love in your eyes. Mm-hmm. In the, the one beingness, like the beingness is through everything. It's, I once read a book called the self-aware universe. It's like the, the whole universe is the beingness, the, the, um, self-awareness and that whole thing is, is universal. Mm-hmm. And that's what we really are. We're fascinated by the differences all the time and that's what occupies our, our minds and our relationships with each other. True. Yeah. And that's what we appreciate too.
That's what we love, isn't it? Yeah. We love all those differences because it's, because the beingness by itself is unremarkable, endlessly fascinating. It's unremarkable. Literally. because there's no qualities. You can't really make any remark in regards of what the being is, how it is, whether it's hot or warm or big or small or large or how old or how young. Nothing, there's absolutely nothing that can be said. And what Howard was saying, and yet, you know, this, attraction to that appreciation of a dream, seeing the dream fleeting, changing, passing, when you are somewhat, you know, like it's not even a detachment. It's sort of like in Al-Anon they would say detachment with love.
It's a loving sort of embrace of whatever is appearing and appreciating that fleeting like a living painting on the canvas because you realize that this is fleeting. You have to quickly, quickly love it now because it's going to be gone. Gone, gone. So when? Now. It seems so real. Yes. And then it seems like magic that it disappears as well. And yet it was always like that. It was always disappeared. It was always fleeting. It was always, as you were saying, particles and movements and there's like astrology, there's planets, there's, you know, there's. There's cellular level stuff. There's emotional level. You know, there's so many.
Aspects. Aspects. Yeah. It's all fleeting, yeah. Like dreams. I love a good dream, but the dream seems so real and it's a real separate reality sort of thing when you're dreaming it and you're responding to it. And, oh, God, that's dreadful, you know. It's not right. I've got to fix this. In the dream it's all very drastic or something. Then you wake up and then you talk about it a bit. Then you can't remember it. And what seemed like so important while you were asleep is gone. And sort of like, you know, Bob used to say, where are yesterday's problems and where are last month's problems?
And they seem so intense at the time that it's happening. And yet it's a nothing. It's hardly, you're hardly able to recall it in a way, you know. Yeah. It's so fleeting. Everything just moves like that. And then it's like, except for this. This is really important. No. I'm really going to work this one out, you know, and again. And then avoid it completely and it's still there for, you know, and then finally it comes into the picture again and then you find out, well, actually there was nothing to avoid, you know, in the first place. And then, oh man, what a mystery. Yeah. What an incredible, incredible.
It's such an opportunity to be able to speak about it as well. Like you all, it's not, it's rare to have the space to, that's dedicated to, yeah, to speak of it and hear about it. Yes. Yes. It's a very great opportunity. Oh yeah. And it's, it can't help but love it. And, and the natural attraction towards that, towards that, that, you know, like joyous recognition that there isn't really anything wrong unless there is a concept of things being wrong. Without the concept, it's just, wow, wow. Recognizing that and grounding that recognition to the point that it's only one thing. Yeah. And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's now, it's always now.
And so it's that mindset to the point that it's only one moment at the time, as this moment is always now, is always now. And just training that mind to get out of the way and let that appreciation naturally shine. You know, like that cat sitting there next to David, sleeping, purring in the sunlight, because there is no trouble in the mind, there is no preoccupation with future. There is no dread of the guilt or shame or remorse or anything. And I also, at this point, it's like life is so easy and carefree. It can't help but want to just bring that sunlight to everyone else.
I mean, sometimes people say, okay, I'm not the doer. I'm going to go on the street and throw the hand grenades everywhere because I'm not the doer. God did it. You know, God killed people, raped people. I'm going to take advantage or drink. No. No. When you find that natural joy, when you shine that natural joy, the likelihood of wanting to hurt someone else goes all the way down. You're just going to share that joy. There is no other way. If you are filled up with that, that's what's going to pour out, obviously. And also in service, the idea of a service is just the greatest privilege.
You know, I was speaking with a person. Yesterday we were on the party who was saying that her daughter is actually looking after us as a part of the study after 14-year-old Down syndrome kid. And this kid is absolutely transformed by being seen, by being loved, by being cared for. And this kid is going to take it with him to a life. She's actually, the 18-year-old is transforming the life of a kid. And it's upgradeable. And it's upgrading the model there when it actually settles in that beautiful, heartfelt energy of being valid, of being cared for. What a gift is that? There is no greater gift than see another for what they are and remind them, I see you, the namaste.
I see the light in you. I reflect the same light. I am God and so are you. Everyone is God. And then I have another service. What is that? What is that? What is that? What is that? What is that? What is that? What is that? What is that? I translate my introduction to non-duality, which I was introduced in India to have like an online Polish retreat. So every now and then I do the translations and recording and stuff. And a part of that system is the moment you say namaste, the God, the God in me, God in you, God in everyone. People often raise questions.
Yeah, okay. I can see God in everyone, but not in Donald Trump. or not in my husband or not in the neighbor. Everyone, yes, but except for one person. And then this is the great invitation to see that mind construct, to see that projection. What is that one thing in that one person? And see and recognize love behind that too. The fear that, you know, that one person is micromanaging me or that one person is judging me or is not seeing God in me so I can't see God in them. That's the way you go into the mind, isn't it? Where we start going, oh, it's not in that person or if only they saw what they should see me as God or whatever.
But the beingness, the natural state, it's self-shining, you know, and that desire to spread the light. I love it in I Am That, there's a chapter that says, what is it, be happy, make happy or something like that, you know, that happiness will shine. And, you know, sometimes in some communities like I've just been overseas and it's very easy. Everyone says hello to each other, good morning. Everyone's very friendly and you can see it. It's very easy to see it's self-shining. It's coming out of everyone. And in a way, and the other thing about talking about living and being aware of just being present without all the mind chatter and stuff like that, that we're constantly fascinated with what's going on in the mind.
But if just pausing and coming back to just being aware and letting all the thoughts drop away, it suddenly becomes clear that that beingness and loving to be is there and the only thing that... can alter is the mind. If the mind comes in and starts saying hello, that should be different. And it's your responsibility to make it different right now or something like that. Yeah. And suddenly all the separation and anxiety comes out of the thing. The mind's no problem. No mind, no problem. Dino, do you have anything to eat? Yeah. You know what he said? The divine. Yeah. The divine in me bows to the divine in you.
Namaste. Yay. And Sandy says, mind loves to fixate on the constant changing content and ignores present awareness which never changes. Yeah. That's it. That's a habit. The habit of the mind and recognizing that habit of the mind, recognizing that habitual behavior of the mind. Straight away, where are you looking from? Recognizing the mind always engaging with the content. Yeah. The recognizing capacity is free from it. It's watching the mind in its element. It's watching the attention moving and giving life to whatever it's attending to. Like there is no yesterday until there is a thought of yesterday. And the attending to that thought and appearance or experience of that thought are not two.
It is all one. Suddenly. Whew. Yesterday appears as a thought. And yesterday's problems or tomorrow's problems, they all appear as one. Attention appears as tomorrow. Attention appears as yesterday. Michael, did you unmute or no? I just saw you. No. Okay. You're good. And Antonella says, is there a chooser anyway? And then later she says, it's a blood. And I'm now doing nothing that hasn't felt verycial for myself until now. And my heart is like, aha, stop casting this spell, Ma'am, drive me out of the life, to save my own life and guts. It is a problem that cannot be released. And if you're stuck here with wet hands inEOVER, you have the anger that you need to breathe later.
This is your life, it's not something you can let go of. Why should it leave you hanging? But the blackness have you? Ten dearers of God. You're two, haircut, approved parents. Yeah? Hmm. Yeah. Well, thank you. the sense of elation of wow looking at the sky wow that's that's the reflection of what i am looking at the people and if you look with the with that open mind you do actually see the godliness you see the infinite complexity in every single appearance and every expression and it's like wow it really is a celebration we had actually a conversation on the evening zoom um we have two groups in in the evening which is morning for the for europe where one of the guys brought up that um it seems like happy clappy christians are much better off believing in whatever they are believing than people believing in the religion called science where you know everything's going down you know the monetary system is going down banks are after us conspiracies after us what's the secret you know there is someone believing in some sort of a delusion so science says that it is a delusion but what is not a delusion in the dream and why is one delusion or illusion better than the other one well you can again measure it by the level of energy the level of joy the celebration and if there is a loving god that is caring and is loving me is out there i'm separate well okay it's still more love present in the dream even if that even even if we cast away the big daddy out to the clouds where he's watching over and he's feeling he's caring and or she or whatever is still relatively more joy though again there was this saying about the paths to enlightenment the path of jnana or wisdom and the path of devotion which is worship there are no paths the the recognition is now pass says talks about future but those pointers are not completely useless either there is nothing that cannot be seen in the right light like you can see the love behind the pointer yes okay if you understand that the mind can't grasp it and the mind relaxes then what shines without the mind oh okay hmm i see or when you actually surrender the mind the mind yeah there is a loving god or there is a loving goddess or there is a universe or whatever and it surrenders it bows down and says okay i'm only little miracle whatever it still gets out of the way and it gets out of the way in love like breaking the mind through science or making it bow down and surrender serves the same purpose mind is a veil but whether it is a loving surrendered mind or whether it is the mind that oh yeah shit okay i'm so tired i've just tried everything i just give up the result is the same and you have no choice you have no choice if you're so inclined to sing the bhajans that's how it is going to unfold that that's how the dream is going to unfold and if you're so inclined to go and solve the puzzles and read and study that's how life is going to unfold and now the idea that oh this path is better oh i'm gonna choose this one i'm gonna go with the flow against that and with this that's another delusion of grandeur there is a me who can do it i can't sometimes think that you might get satisfaction out of the dream but the dream is always a dream it's like coming back to no thing or realizing that it's it's no thing is there's no grand highs or lows in that it's it is just being in a way but there's a relaxation in the mind it doesn't matter what religion or dream you go down and if it's happy clappy it's it's really great while it's happy clappy but then there's all the guilt and shame about not following the rules and all that sort of stuff to do and if you're into capitalism it's great when you win tat's lotto but it's really bad when you go bankrupt and so there's it's a good and bad in any path you go down i suppose yeah it makes it colorful like in nature you know we could look at the dream the way we look at nature like you know what bob would say you get day and night and the winter's and somewhere and up and down and left and right and good and bad and pain and pleasure all of that is going to be provided and sometimes the contrast is huge you know like bob from being chronic alcoholic with the gun in his mouth couple of times with the zoo nights and suffering that is absolutely unimaginable for the majority of people for who the worst thing that ever happened was they didn't get the new iphone for a christmas gift and yet relatively relatively they might be closer to a suicide because the resilience isn't there in the system the model has its ups and downs and within that it's it fluctuates so suffering is it's so relative i've seen people flipping the like well really losing it because there is going to be a birthday party and it's not going to be according to my plan it's going to be someone else's birthday it's not going to be about me i'm not coming not showing up so and and that's a depression the reason for depression and relatively it is ultimate suffering but again this is a global issue we have this euphoria i think you know the the the food of the en coats llay and of course when you look at the dream sometimes like what they say you know the weak people breeds difficult times and difficult times breed strong people or resilient people and strong people bring good times and then the good times bring weak people and off it goes in circles and of course you know we are in a good times right now so the new generations of people they will have relatively low resilience and when the hits the fun there will be a lot of mental illness trauma and a lot of issues and that's part of the cycle and guess what in 100 years none of them is going to be here and what does it matter the purpose of life has been has been already established 150 years ago statistically if you had six children maybe one would make it to adulthood the death in the childbirth of the mothers the death of young children wow imagine the amount of trauma and they are our great great great grandfathers oh yeah yeah hard times create strong men strong men create good times good times create weak men and weak men create hard times oh beautiful and it's just a gorgeous illustration hey man yeah it's fantastic thank you hayman yeah lovely and it's and it's all dream it's all dreamy it's a dreamy cycle of pain pleasure day night pain pleasure day night and winter summer and then stepping back and seeing the circle and what you were saying Howard you know seeing how how it doesn't last how impermanent it is how it is only now only fleeting moment that's the only that's the only time to really see it fully to appreciate it that's the only time to really see it fully to appreciate it appreciate it for what it is to celebrate it to enjoy it to experience it because let's face it you know really cold winter might not be that enjoyable Cliff would run to Bali so and and of course pain are not that enjoyable poverty not that enjoyable and yet because it's temporary because it's only now because if there is no commentary and if there is no idea that it can be this way and if there is stepping back relaxing and being curious about this particular experience this particular flavor of the intensity and even if there is a motivation to strip off the label and be even more curious and suddenly there is no anxiety anymore it's just that's it that's what's happening that's the energy flowing moving through the body there is no story oh they want to get me oh my gosh this is go wrong no narrative and not even a label of fury now label off content of the dream off and just wow look at this liveness pouring out suddenly something that is very very uncomfortable is another invitation to celebrate different form of energy vibrating through the system sadness joy anger anxiety pain pleasure anything if there is complete ah let me see curiosity openness wow oh gosh she's burning loud and that is and that's universal sadness joy anxiety pain you know yeah everything experiences it i think yeah i think animals too and we don't know about plants but maybe for plants too i don't know that it's it is you know the oneness we're talking about oneness right at the start it is the oneness everything is experienced everybody knows the emotions of jealousy rage suffering it's it's there anyway you know you don't have to explain what it is everybody everybody knows those feelings yeah yeah it's like the sea is one it's one sea but it's warm over in the tropics it's freezing down in antarctica it seems different different experiences in different parts of the sea but still just the one the one sea that is yeah that is a great method yeah can't see waving waving yeah flat sometimes stormy yeah yeah constantly ever changing never changing exactly never stop never stopping yes yeah well i uh yeah um um just want to say that uh the knowing the simple fact that there is no alternative and there's no such thing as random events you know i know out of my heart things happen will be for growth of this entity i would say um and i think um uh that's that turns out to be more and more and more true it is true it will be more and more and more true god bless god bless yeah that's actually that's really a helpful uh belief or helpful attitude uh for the dream character you know things happen happen for good how much nicer that sort of a belief is that things happen randomly that's where all the faith comes from goodness things happen for good yes but gonna share secondhand information the goodness of it is it's not goodness that I wanted to be or I prefer to be what I predicted to be yes it's going to be one goodness there is one goodness and there's one source for that goodness and I can only and only and only align with it no matter what no matter what I think it should be good in a personal sort of way or good for my tribe or my people or my family or whatever but it's just goodness in general I think he said the other day this is me this this this The whole appearance is me.
This is me, but it's not mine. As soon as I start thinking in terms of mine, there's the separation. I love it. Yeah, me but not mine. This is the present. This is the I am. This is the I am. That is not our ownership. Not for me to own or manipulate or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brilliant. Nice one liner. And I love what you're saying. And I love what Haman was saying, you know, the goodness, the greatest goodness is not of my doing. It's aligning with that Supreme reality. I was about to say, unfortunately, yes. And I said it now. But and the reason is because the growth is not easy.
So yes, I'm aligning, I'm accepting, I'm playing my role, the role that I give. The role that it meant to happen to given to me this entity as a body or psychological entity. But then, because I know the fact that there is only one reality, there's no alternative that I'm, you know, participating with the torture, which is a temporary torture. A torture towards getting thinner in torturing, and getting easier in living life and experiencing. And that's the meaning of ease of, you know, being in level of sensory perception. And doesn't doesn't make you know, the love and that trust in that Supreme reality make the torture a little bit less, because you trust that this is for the greater good.
So okay, I can put up with that torture, because I trust that it's gonna be okay. Well, that's precisely why I, I said to people even as well as I'm thinking, or doing something, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. Because I'm thinking I said it to people once that, okay, what worse can happen?
I'm going to go to jail. Well, that's where I'm going to serve people. That's why I'm going there. Let us see if it's going to happen. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant. Yeah. I think we have a comment here. Yeah, you can read it. One earlier about that someone, Jane said, Yeah. Lovely words, Howard, earlier on. And earlier on, Michael said, can drill down infinitely smaller and smaller to, or expand out infinitely. Where does it start and where does it end? Yeah. And most recently said, speaking is a spoken thought. It really is that which is beyond words. I love to hear us trying to speak of it, though.
What a joy. That is, yes. Dino, you want to summarize it? Sure. You always bring it home so nicely. Well, yeah, well, it all started with the oneness, this whole one essence or one, how did you start it? Like a unifying one . One essence. One essence. Experiencing, pressing at everything. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, that's what I'm saying. I'm not going to say that it's a one essence. I'm going to say that it's a one essence. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, that one essence in this meeting seemed to go and express it in all these different ways, through all these different appearances of bodies and words and voices and tonalities and the colorful palette of descriptions on how it works, on why it works, on the movement of it, describing, using metaphors of oceans and all, the oceans it like a fabulous one you know the the the whole ocean in different parts of the world and and and the salinity the salinity the the heat the temperature the the the waves the the every aspect of that and it yet it's always it's the ocean it's the ocean and imagine like taking one drop of it and calling that me yeah and say whoa hang on there's an ocean out there and i'm i'm a droplet and i'm a special droplet or an important droplet or a superior droplet or an inferior droplet um you know it's it's it's quite wild um and and and then um oh what was it and i think we got into you know this this sort of um like a description of like yeah well i thought it would be a good idea to do a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a sort of get it but like you know when we're not going to make decisions and we're not going to do this and we're not going to do that and all the different aspects of this uh this sort of it's all an appearance of the human this one essence is um a feeling that that i have to decide there is no one deciding like it's but it's it's a fear it's an appearance or a feeling or a sense or it but it's appearing in that in that particular way um as though there is you know the dream is designed in a certain way so it so it appears you know um to show that there's this is him and this is her and this is good and this is bad and and then there's all these different array like all these different um what do you call it like lenses in which that can be viewed in which that appearance can be sort of twisted and changed and viewed it's absolutely malleable and it morphs and it changes and what what is that malleability is like the a body body mind organism that it's that's constantly updated like it's it's conditioning is it the ocean is conditioning that droplet you could say um and it's it's constant conditioning and and all of a sudden that you know that that that droplet all of a sudden says it's it's this or that or i i can choose or i can be this or do that or this is right or wrong and it's the whole ocean is making that conditioning appear to to have this sort of this this overlay of um an idea that it is individual it's separate it's special it's good it's bad it's all these things um and this aspect of life is you know well i've got the kids and i've got to do this yeah that's separate from the non-dual meeting you know no no no how we really get it but then we're going to go into the real world what a load of crap there is no real world like we're going to go into the real there is only that one essence and and the non-dual message is so um brilliantly like you know that we talked about like the miracle and the beauty of like being able to discuss it share it express it i mean all in all all the different sort of the kaleidoscope of these expressions and the beauty is there's no getting out of it there's no getting into it there's no because it already is whole and complete it's already there like right now it's and it's so immediate like and and in the immediacy appears time, but it's always immediate.
It's an appearance of time in that immediacy and that essence, that one, that aliveness, that life itself, that sense of presence isn't separate. There's only one sense of presence really, but the appearance is absolutely completely different and in constant change, but that one sense of presence is that which illuminates the whole of creation. It illuminates the whole of time. It illuminates the big bang and the cosmos and the decision whether I should eat chocolate or have vanilla instead. It's absolutely the same essence and it's the same essence that allows words of describing the non-dual experience. Or, you know, so it's so incredibly, absolutely inclusive. There is no way out of it.
There's no way in it because it's all there is and it's absolutely whole and complete. And it's called a great perfection or it's called non-conceptual sort of awareness because from that place, that's it. It is absolutely perfect. And the misery and the suffering and the chaos and everything that appears to be, you know, and the misery and the suffering and the chaos and everything that appears to be, you know, in that manner, is from that one place. That's it. That's another aspect, another expression. And it's fleeting and it's unreal. And I think from the start, it started with like the one essence, but what is this one essence?
You know, what, it's actually nothing. It's actually no thing. It's no thing. It's like totally empty. It's not even space. It's so empty. And then, and then it's like, nothing just starts to vibrate. Let's call it energy, right? Like just call it energy for, yeah. And, and, and that vibration of nothing starts to appear like something. And then something becomes vibrates even more and becomes solid something. And then solid something becomes universes and cosmoses and thoughts and ideas and, and, and life and death and good and bad. And, um, it's, it's quite like, it's quite a thing. Really. It's the only show in town. It's the greatest show in town.
It's it's, it's it, and you are that, and everyone is that, and there's no escaping that. And there may be an obscuration, seemingly up obscurations in the appearance, but they are seeming they're seemingly obscure. There, there is no particular destination or, or path or, or state of progression. Because it's so immediate. Um, and that's the real good news. The bad news is . Exactly. No, they're Enjoy them a second. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's so no, this was actually so good. I, I, I kind of want you to start the meeting one day because you know, the loaded metaphors, like you brought completely different lines. I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, even to the sea metaphor how the droplet is conditioned by the whole ocean of course, you know, not only they not separate, but every droplet is actually a reflection of the whole ocean.
Like how below, so above every. Every ounce or every particle is the Universe reflecting itself in that separate sort of a thing. And you could see it in real life now. I'm a person. I'm a woman. How do I know that? It's the whole humanity dividing into sexes, suddenly giving me a gender. I'm conditioned by the ocean. I'm Polish or I'm Australian or whatever. That's being the droplet, being conditioned by the whole ocean. And you can see how your values, you know. I'm owning the house. I'm owning the copyright versus everything is owning me. Those are also conditioning, ocean conditioning, the droplet. Your mind is conditioned by your environment.
There is nothing apart from the sense of existence, which is completely beyond comprehension and beyond expression, that has not been installed in the language model, that has not been conditioned. And another thing that is really, really beautiful when you say that even the whole time is a droplet in the ocean. And when you look from the perspective of the mind, it's the other way around, isn't it? Time is eternal from the time immemorial past into the future eternity. Very, very, very long time, billions of years before the big bang and to the end. And in this is one drop of a now. But that's just for the purpose of the mind, which constructed the time.
But the mind with. All its contract constructs and all its ideas is a droplet in the eternity of now. And this is again another beautiful highlight, which we could really spend another hour exploring because it's so potent and it's so vital to actually see, to see directly that the time appears now in the now. This cat knows nothing about yesterday and tomorrow. It doesn't have the language to. Even conceptualize the idea of yesterday and tomorrow. We humans, we can talk because we have this faculty of imagination, which we call memory and projection. But that's still still creating mental images. And that's how the whole construct, the history, the biology, the science, everything that that that depends on time, which means depends on mind is appearing only when we think about it in the eternity of now, because the now is.
Now, because the now is. Now, because the now is. Always. There's never not now. Every time you check. Oh, shit. Now. So that's that's. Yeah. Time. That's. Once upon a time. Blah, blah, blah. Happily ever after. Namaste. Yay. Thank you for saying joy. I think we have everyone here included. Thank you. Dean says, Anika and a hey, wait, wait, wait. I'm the analysis is a blah, blah, blah. First. And the death. And. Of. Our. Oh, yes. We've done. Oh, thank you. Thank you. And Joe. This is. Thank you. Dean. And thank you. Everyone. Blah, blah, blah. Lots of love. Thank you. Yay. Yay.