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Okay, so starting from the basics, awareness of existence or awareness of presence or deliciousness of being alive. Someone else coming. The privilege of having a vacation from the eternity of nothingness. When the mind is off and there is nothing appearing on the display, there is nothing being experienced, there is no experiencing. If there is no awareness of the content, we can't say there is an experiencing. Theoretically we could, but that is not about the theory. All we know directly from the direct experience is that there is nothing being experienced. All we know directly from the direct experience is that there is an experiencing right now.
There is a content of experiencing right now. There is an awareness of existence right now. So we were educated, we are told that the world existed before I was born. I was born into the body. I was born into the world. And I grew and I navigated the world already solid and existent. And then I'm going to die and the world will stay there. Yes, Hank, did you want to say something? Or you just mistakenly unmute. Okay, I'm just going to put you on mute. Okay. So this is the common story which is told to... a child, to a person, to a believer. So if you believe that story, you were born in a particular country, to a particular family.
In some religions you may have even chosen them. In other religions you just had a good luck or bad karma or whatever. And you're going to have a lifespan of such and such and then you're going to go. You're going to die. Direct experience has quite a different component in the direct experience. Here I am. In the direct experience without the story or belief what I am, who I am, where I am. I can't say. Without the story and then without the story the easiest way would be to relate to I just fed a couple of cats there. So the cats, they have no idea they are in Australia.
They have no idea that they are animals. They have no idea they are cats. And yet there is an existence. So if you are an animal, you are an existence. So if you are an existence, you are an existence. So if you are an existence, you are an existence. If I could put the idea aside that I am a person that was born in a particular country and right now is located in some other place under the address and it has the lifespan and then it's going to die. If I did not have any of those ideas, what is the experience? What is the experience of existence without any idea?
Because that is that primary natural state, the natural existence. So in that natural state, just the way I call it, just the way my beautiful cats are consuming their dinner and they have no idea where they are or who they are or what they are. So I am and so you are. On that awareness of existence, on that plain, basic, sat chitananda, awareness that I am, conscious awareness, the beingness itself, the fact that I am, the awareness that I am, the consciousness, being conscious of existence and having preference, a love of existence, love of being, protecting life or appreciating life. Generally, sat chitananda, awareness of existence and the bliss of being.
So this is the direct experience regardless of context that is added to the story that I'm a cat and I'm meowing or I'm eating or I'm in Australia, whatever it is. So natural state or the basic awareness, everyone is already aware that they exist and this is the final truth and this is the natural state and this is unborn Buddha mind or cognizing emptiness or omnipresence, the presence that doesn't have any boundaries or any limitations because only the thought that brings the boundary and limitation. So that presence is the omnipresence. So there is nothing to look for. There is nothing to find. There is no one to become.
There is no time in which this existence, this sat chitananda, this omnipresence can transform into something else. The expressions, the patterns, the shapes, the forms, the lights, the colors, the signs, the sounds, the sensations are floating in that space of sat chitananda, of existence. So that space is already free. It's already here. It's already pure. It doesn't need purifying. It doesn't need amplifying. It doesn't need anything. It's already content in itself or maybe the better way to say it is content in itself. It is not discontented. There is no suffering in the pure empty space of existence. Self-aware that it exists, which is then called consciousness.
So I think, and it was really nice when Kimo started the meeting a couple of days ago, bringing up the ideas that within that space, in that space, that we could say we share, but in that space, there isn't even a we to share. It's just this. But in that space, there comes the storyteller and the storyteller tells you, I get it, you don't get it. So I will speak, you will listen. I know and you don't. And if you are kind enough or you pay me enough, then maybe I will tell you or maybe I will give you or maybe I will pat you with the peacock feather and you will be able to say, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, Whatever the story content is, it appears in Omni-presence.
In Omni-presence there is no story, there is no division, there is no inequality, there is no one who does get it, there is no one who does not get it. There is just pure existence, existence, consciousness, bliss, Satchitananda. Within that, this is the reality, being, awareness, of being and appreciation of being or existence knowing of existence and appreciation of existence now within that space which is one one space with the three aspects highlighted because you can't divide the being from the awareness if there is no awareness you can't say there is a being if there is no being you can't say that you are aware is is obviously inseparable appreciation for being is self-evident otherwise there would be no being and there would be no knowing of being so this is the space the three aspects are really just just just this and within that there is the whole manifested world which are two other aspects in in hindu scriptures called maya namarupa illusion name and form pattern shape form color sound sight dream past future drama separation shape of a human boundary the presence is here it's not out there it's just here and it ends here you know the sensation of the skin is here outside five centimeters out there is no sensation so my presence not my presence that's just the storyline you you i am my car when i'm on the road i am my car oh i'm speeding oh i have to slow down oh i have to push the brake oh i'm running out of fuel i'm my car right now for the for the sake of communication i'm this body i'm a person i'm female i'm 50 plus whatever i'm in australia for the sake of a story but this happens only because there is a presence of the soul and the happiness of consciousness if there is no consciousness that couldn't be a story and if there is no story consciousness still is and if there is no consciousness there couldn't be a story if the body is corpse or is deep asleep there is no story so giving credit where credit is due first things first consciousness without consciousness nothing else is i'm gonna just check there's any comments going on facebook and as usually as always anyone is most welcome to interrupt contribute ask question or add the angle or throw a quote or contribute in any capacity that you feel like i can actually contribute the first of the cards that comes from bob and there is a beautiful sunset here and this is in poland and it says space is the absence of mental constructs while awareness is the knowing of this absence of constructs realize the indivisibility of space and awareness how timely this is just that a bit and i didn't know i just picked the card which i was explaining that such it and under there are three aspects of one you know indivisibility of that space and awareness absence of mental construct is a space it's the pure potentiality and awareness of that absence is or the knowing of that absence of that mental construct is the awareness so it is the consciousness it is the actuality it is the it is how the potentiality uh plays out and hank would you like to mute yeah yes i can hear you hey yeah hi hello uh yeah and it's like to just before i forget it i was just you know reminding of uh yeah i've been i've been uh following a guru for many many years you know and the tibetan guru and it was a very very good experience and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm looking for felt uh all the time uh they kept yeah i don't want to say anything bad about him but they kept me hanging on the hook you know like i was just it was all like hanging the carrot or something i was just very near near the near the uh perspective that he was supposed to enjoy all the time you know and all the uh all the colors and all the beautiful perspectives that were um described you know to us and very inspiring you know i mean the same it was more it was more or less the same that sailor bob was is was uh presenting you know in i mean as a jocks and master and um but the difference is that yeah what i feel is that the sailor pop he he talks from his experience or even beyond his experience um it seems for me yeah i've been i don't say well i have been wasting my time but many many years i i sacrificed my holidays you know and a lot of money and all the time hoping that one day there would be a breakthrough and uh there has been a breakthrough occasionally you know only one or two times i feel yeah this is real you know it's happening but it's all the time it's you know it disappeared again um and uh yeah this this meeting sailor bob unfortunately i only once met him when he was still alive in and then online via the zoom or something but it was you know yeah it was so simple um and i have to say i lost my train of thought um actually you know this is why this is motivating me to participate here but at the same time i'm aware of you know that yeah but there's my question also does the f all the efforts what i made and so many other people are still made or still making is it necessary in order to arrive at the point that you can give up all the expectations you know about and then is that necessary is that necessary so yeah all the struggles question great question yeah is it is it necessary all the efforts including brushing your teeth since the age of four since you started having a teeth what was it really necessary to brush your teeth if you didn't brush your teeth would you be where you are right now well the question see how theoretical the question is what would be if i didn't what would be if i didn't pray would it be if i didn't go to that guru it's completely completely theoretical question life has unfolded this way see bob said he was sitting going on the path shaktipat meditation chanting seva and all that stuff was it necessary neither it was neither necessary nor unnecessary it is how it unfolded was there was that tsunami wave in inside in thailand or katrina volcano hurricane in america necessary or was it unnecessary it unfolded this way you can only talk retrospectively about that when you look back yeah and and say and see how in a good mood you say oh that was the greatest blessing in my life but when you were in a bad mood the same thing you say oh no it was horrible mind is adding meaning and holding on to the story and keeps the coherence you know like i remember whatever the childhood trauma story oh it made me who i am it gave me resilience oh no it broke me oh how would i be without it blah blah blah there is no possibility to find out how about instead of training your mind to speculate on what is not happening how about bringing the mind to resting in this moment right now if it can't stay quiet then maybe it can engage with a subtle background sounds of the leaves on the tree or the trees and birds and the plants and plants and the flowers and everything or birds singing or maybe air conditioner or heat anything or maybe it can rest in experiencing the breath the mind maybe it can monitor the sensations in the in the body if it can't stay completely relaxed let it be busy with that which is happening right now rather than speculating oh was it necessary you know yvonne actually said here in a comment you are not the doer and did not waste time money or whatever see bob again he sold all his property when his wife left him and he went to india and he stayed and he meditated and he was doing all sorts of things there was it necessary i'd seem so otherwise we wouldn't maybe not be sitting here now the truth is the the the the story yes or no it's just a speculation it happened stop it happened because was it good or was it bad or was it um waste of time or was it not and now again it goes on it goes to both sides of the coin okay i had a guru i served him faithfully i left him all my money that's just an example my guru didn't take any money but just an example and maybe even the guru took advantage of me or abused me sexually or whatever this thing happened i have couple of girlfriends who were following an australian guru here who actually uh we if you were attractive enough he would he would tell you that he can transfer the enlightenment through sexual act the things don't happen and now is he guilty how dare he he's not the doer either that's just life unfolding if there is only one life is there is only one ever essence there's one essence speaking to a person who says oh you get it you should not be speaking or you don't get it you will get it next lifetime this is life speaking there's no one there if the guru says oh you enlightenment is going to cost you 10 000 hours of meditation plus million dollar weekend for the retreat that's the life speaking there is no one there oh yeah but i shouldn't have followed i followed the trap this was an abuser this is life speaking there is no one there and yet is the story invalid i was abused i spent 20 years i waste my money i waste my time this is the story this is the life speaking the story is the story true no story is true it's just an appearance yeah story of trauma story of war story of holocaust it's an appearance war where is it now it's a spoken spoken story it's a mental image it's a cloud on the sky it's the cloud that has the capacity to completely open up the heart make you cry make you scream wow wow it's not to undermine the incredible power that the story gets when it is believed into reality is the story nonetheless yes and what is it now but still you know i'm sorry for the buts and um but still you know i think it's like you know like you're we are like when we are in life you know it's like playing chess and play chess also you have to say you have to make the next move yeah that's do you do you do you really have to next move do the next move i don't make a move then you know my time you know i don't have time to do it i don't have time to do it my flag will fall and then i lose did you ever did you ever try did you ever try to not make a move because what if you try and you fail and you realize that it is not even in your power to not make a move for example try not to move your heart for five minutes good luck you'll find out oh shit the heart is moving anyway so the chessboard is here okay the bob had this story it was your old old story but it's a good story the guy came here to the meeting and he got really worked up and offended with the idea that i am not the doer i've never done a thing in my life that's a crap if that's true and i've done the career i've graduated and i rose children i built the house and i planted the tree i've done so much and you say i've done nothing fuck off then i won't do anything ever again okay okay see if you want to get up from that sofa and you will see that you will be moved because your bladder will get full and you will need to pee and you decided never to do anything and suddenly you're walking oh shit doing the guy called from the phone box on the website way back home and bob told him okay you resolve never to do anything fine i don't mind stay in the phone box see if anyone in 30 years from now will go and collect a skeleton life will move you you don't move life moves you you are being lived like for example you know what are your next move gonna be on your chessboard doesn't it depend on 10 000 things doesn't it depend on your mental clarity on the day doesn't it depend on what the move the other person did on the chessboard doesn't it depend whether there is an earthquake or the or the or the or the earth is stayed stable or steady it depends on absolutely 10 000 things and now also doesn't it depend on the other person's move can you please put an end on the thought that just spontaneously comes up to your mind and can you choose different thought it has to show up first right to even be or not be chosen so it is it is and thank you for the question it's always good to revisit and remind that very very basic realization that you are being lived the thoughts are showing up, the life is moving you to make the move.
I'm being lived, I know, but still, you know, I feel that, you know, then I feel like I'm following some kind of pattern, you know, some kind of, what to say, according to my imprints, you know, what I have experienced, my childhood, etc. I'm following some kind of pattern, I'm repeating the same things, you know, the same situations in different variations, sometimes very beautiful, but I'm not that, I'm just, I'm the observer of it, you know, I'm like that. That's nice. There you go, there you go. Witness, I'm bearing witness of it. That's how I, this is my personal love, my person is not existing, of course, but this is how our language is limiting also, but this is how I see it.
Is that something or what do you think? Absolutely. You see, there is a presence, omnipresence. Within that omnipresence, there is Henk. Yeah. Henk is being witnessed. Henk is being registered. Henk is moving the figure on the chessboard. Oh, this is registered. Henk is having a thought. Oh, my guru took my time and was it necessary? Yeah. This is being witnessed. Henk is taking a breath. This is being registered. All of that is in that knowingness, that Sat Chit Ananda, being, knowing, loving, to be, in that consciousness. Henk as a car on the road is speeding. Henk as the body is getting older or is eating food, all being registered.
And the registering capacity is always there. See, even when the body mind of Henk is falling asleep and is dreaming of flying, still registered in consciousness. What is registered? The lying sleep body or the body flying? Which one? Or maybe both? Or maybe neither. Maybe what is being registered is the reflection of consciousness, whether it is flying, whether it is sitting in the room, whether it is moving on the chessboard. See if you actually, within the witnessing, if you can witness your own consciousness, if you can witness your own eyes, if you can taste your own tongue, see what is registered and what is assumed.
The assumption is that there is a me doing the registering and see how even that assumption is registered. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you for the question. It's always lovely to revisit this, which sounds like a really bad news. I have no power, no free will, no decision-making capacity. I'm absolutely hopeless. Everything is just happening. So that I'm not going to, I'm just, I rest my case. Shit. This is, yeah, disempowering. I'm powerless. This is wrong. No, it's not. It's the best news in the world. You are being lived. You are being registered. You are being registered. You are being registered. You are being registered.
You are being lived. Your heart is being taken care of. Seeing is happening. Everything is given. It's like in the, in the old 12 steps serenity prayer. God grant me the serenity. God is the power, higher power of my understanding, which I usually call life, the life essence. Life grant me serenity. To accept the things I cannot change. Which is serenity. It's like my next thought. I don't even know what it is going to be. How can I change it? Courage to think, to change the things I can. And the wisdom to know the difference. And the more realization that the higher power is all there ever is.
Life is all there ever is. That's the only power that there is. The less illusion of personal power is left. Now, even my next thought belongs to the higher power. thought belongs to life even my next words belong to life and if i realize that shit you know it isn't my thought belonging to life i am life everything is within me appearing in me it belongs to me there is nothing outside there is nothing separate there is nothing i ever need to long for or wish for or desire because everything that is appearing is already a fulfillment of the desire for this moment to appear exactly as it does and how do i know that is so well look around that's how it appears proof in the pudding and where does it appear well in the consciousness in the omnipresence so what what can i ever do you you , you know how dare he make himself superior tell you that i know something that you don't you give me your money so i can share my secret with you he doesn't do it but he doesn't do it he is your dream he's appearing in your consciousness there is no one there there's no one inside there's no little person inside who's want to scam you there's no one inside there's no one inside you yeah yeah yeah it unfolded this way bob was sitting for 16 years in meditation if almost everyone i know got scammed in some way or the other that's how it unfolded but what does it have to do the content of the dream whether in the dream i'm rich or poor i'm pretty or ugly i'm smart or dull what does it really matter i'm rich or poor i'm pretty or ugly i'm smart or dull what does it really matter what does it really matter if the dream is just a reflection of aliveness in the experiencing so whatever the experiencing is it already shows demonstrate the aliveness behind it if there was no aliveness if there was no satchitananda being awareness of being an appreciation of being no bad dream good dream medium dream could even be be reflected in that mirror of existence so whatever appears in the mirror points to the mirror yes but i want my reflection a little bit nicer so that one thing also reflects in the mirror yes but was it really necessary for those people you know for bob to die or get cancer was it really necessary well that speculation that dreaming that mental chatter is also reflected in the mirror and the only purpose of reflections are to point to the mirror point to existence so whether the reflections are pretty or ugly they're neutral they're all neutral and then the mind has the opinion because that's its nature and of course the dream is a happier dream if the opinion is pleasant and positive the dream is a happier dream if you have more skills if you can sing you know that singing or jogging is like mind training it's like meditation it makes the body brings the endorphins and you know it kind of makes you feel feel happier and more appreciative yeah the dream gets better or if you win the lottery or whatever or you have loving relationship or less trauma or whatever but that's secondary to the fact that no matter what the dream it points to the reflective surface my guru actually who never took any money and who never made false promises and who was and he still is a beautiful beautiful creature back in india when before i met bob he would say you know every thought brings two messages with it the second news is the content of the thought for example the thought i'm not good enough the second message that the thought brings is i am not good enough quote unquote but the first message is i'm here i'm alive without that consciousness without that aliveness the content of the thought couldn't even appear so who cares what's what's the content it could speak russian or chinese who cares who cares what the thought says the presence of a thought is a proof wow there is an existence here the miracle of life aliveness shining bright here out of itself wow but habitually the attention goes to the thought and the more attention goes to the thought the more real that thought appear and if the thought says i'm not good enough and it appears so real so tangible it is so convincing then of course well the consequence shit you know i gotta get drunk or maybe i gotta shoot myself or shit or maybe or maybe i gotta work on myself and go sign up for a therapy or whatever the consequence but the truth is the news behind the presence of thought is like wow i'm alive there is an existence that could have been nothing but there is wow the seeing is there the hearing who gives a shit about the content of a thought first news first sorry i just go on go on this when you drop that that thought you know i i had that that experience also one one you know with the guru that i i was trying to remember a question i wanted to ask him a question and i had repeated it many times in myself and then at the moment uh yeah it was there and i was sitting in front of this man and then i forgot the question that he saw me struggling and then uh he said so what you had a question so what drop it you know and then when i did that it was a very you know like i had to yeah laugh i was laughing you know and very very uh how to say it was like everything dropped away at that moment so i felt also uh yeah like connected with something very big you know yeah yeah it was not uh yeah it was my small moment was totally i was connected with everything and i felt nothing to get or lose and uh i would say thank you and then he said well i was laughing he said yeah that's that's you remember that you know that's really you that's really hey and then i uh i was out and i say okay thank you and then i left and i didn't tell anybody i feel completely you know it didn't matter where i was going you know go outside or stay inside or just i was i felt completely alive that time you know no fear also no hope and no fear like this you know it was so amazing and but that was only possible because yeah that's what my my interpretation of course that when he said at the right moment he said well drop your question like this you know that's how that was my interpretation so was it was it necessary to yeah to be in that situation you know that meeting with that guru then then this happened yeah maybe it would have happened or maybe not i don't know yeah again yes yes again the question wasn't necessary it happened this way what would have happened if he didn't say that word what would have happened if you had green socks on that day what would have happened if you didn't have a breakfast and you came late for the train and you came late and you you were aggravated what would have happened if your vitamin b12 was a little a notch lower you know you could go forever asking those type of questions yeah you're right so i just wanted to share this thing i will i just want to share it and yeah this is yeah but but that's a that's a great thing that you shared you actually shared a profound insight which really is an often a conclusion after answering several questions how many more questions you want to come up with because if you give a mind a job to write questions you can start writing them now and in 10 years you will have probably 100 000 questions it will never stop but you know you know because you probably heard it long and often enough that no matter how many questions will get answered it will only give you a temporary relief from the nagging mind but it will not give you a lasting freedom from the mind because the answer is not there you can't find the answer in the mind you find the answer in the mind too i'm thirsty okay get a water that's the answer but to the life and everything the only answer that you can find in the mind is 42 absurd no answer in the mind there isn't there can't be a conceptual answer to life and everything to the mystery of aliveness because it isn't a question it is self-evident obvious clear fact that you can't question can you question your own existence can you negate your own existence there is no question there it can't be answered it is self-evident you are alive you are here you are present all the questions are appearances reflected in that mirror of existence so the answers are also reflections appearances appearing in the mirror of existence and after having ten hundred thousand questions appearing and answered you finally land up in the realization oh shit what a waste of time fuck it forget the questions forget looking for answers clarity no questions no answers drop it and in relaxing that mind questions go out with the mind answers are not required because when there is no minds there's no questions there's no answers and yeah wow i'm alive wow well i've been alive when the mind was busy with some nonsense too but all attention got into that entertainment into those reflections now as you defocus from all the questions and all the mind preoccupation with control ah okay Wow suddenly first things first the whole Wow comes comes in force the appreciation the satchitananda aliveness Wow awareness of aliveness and appreciation for aliveness boom Wow when the mind the Nama Rupa name form asking answering blah blah blah the reflections dropped Wow so that was that was beautiful yeah he spot on your guru good on him he's shown you the way now yeah now walk it yeah about now what questions do you have now drop it short meeting I had this sale above you know what just few worlds before he passed away you know also something like this question like that with he you know what I mean I'm not sure what you mean I'm not sure what you mean I'm not sure what you mean I'm not sure what you mean I'm not sure what you mean I'm not sure he asked me are you but are you are you aware are you aware you know that kept that kept me how to say after I was that was coming back all the time you know so yeah something similar yes yes yes yeah what good what question can you question that no you can't are you aware that it's all yeah yeah yeah can you question it can you deny it can you can you try and stop it no you can't in that no questions clear and obvious yeah yeah yeah thank you so much thank you Hank no that's that's that's perfect that's beautiful thank you very much and and I see you Jenny and as you are unmuting I'm gonna read question from Sandra question registering and witnessing are different because for witnessing it has to be a witness so there's still duality and with registering okay for seeing there has to be a seer is that right so the idea that for witness witnessing they have to be a witness for breeding they have to be a breeder for hard beating they have to be hearth Peter is there a heart beater for raining there has to be a Rainer is there a Rainer see for witnessing that doesn't have to be a with witness witness ink is the the immediate activity is the consciousness registering witnessing seeing there is no me looking and seeing seeing is a capacity that this particular body mind machine is equipped with it has the capacity to see to hear to breathe it doesn't mean that there is a little someone which does and how you can prove it to yourself keep your eyes open seeing is happening if there is someone who does that make that someone stop without closing your eyes oh shit no it's still happening i'm telling hey little little someone imagine someone can you stop it not still happening witnessing is like seeing is the same there is no need for imagined self to to be in the capacity to see to hear to breathe and to hear to breathe and to hear to breathe and to see it's the same it волос his capacity of witnessing when we say ing it means it's a function it's a pure functioning that's just for the sake of clarity and thank you sandra for asking it because that might not just be your question and it's always good to highlight that i and g shows the singular functioning rather than the half of the equation or what one third of the equation of do where doing a deed no it's just the doing just the happening and i also have bla Ads bla Ads says Quote, unquote, I lived, but not I.
Christ lived my life. Only one life, one doer. Yeah. Beautiful. Christ. Christ consciousness is the is the pure awareness of pure existence. And we have Jenny and then we have Kimo. Jenny, you on. Okey dokey. What came to me when I heard your sharing and your way to talk with Hank was also the simplicity of when Bob used to say full stop. You know that even though one pitfall can be to try to recreate an experience one has had. Because that, too, is just an experience in consciousness. Even if it's an experience where the feeling is of that the self, the ego or whatever dissolves.
And it can be really addictive. It's like can be such a good feeling that you want to have it again. And to be you could I mean, compare it with an orgasm. It's like having a spiritual orgasm, you know, like, oh, wow, I want it again and again and again. But. You know, we can all imagine what life would be like if we would walk around with a constant orgasm. It would not be very functional, you know. And so walking around with this so-called no brain, no head, no whatever this supposed enlightened state would also not be very, very functional. But we can taste. It in what Bob always reminded us of with the full stop that if we just hold our breath or stop the breaths or focus on the pause.
That little still pause between the in-breath and out-breath. That's where that stillness resides. We can actually in any moment find it. The mind, that empty mind. The empty mind is so close. So close that we we're not aware of it because we think it's supposed to be so big. You know, or it's supposed to be so big. So that's just what came to me is that, you know, it's even in this so-called spiritual realm, it's like with everything else we've been, we've been brainwashed to believe that more is better. You know, we think that we would be happier with more. We think that we would be happier with more.
We think that we would be happier with more. We think that we would be happier with more. We think that we would be happier with more. We think that we would be happier with more. We think that we would be happier with more. We'd be happier if we had the perfect spouse, or we'd be happy if we had the perfect job, or we would be happy if we had fame, or we would be happy if we had this big bang realization where everything will never be the same again. And all that's just fairytale. Like sitting here waiting for the prince arriving on this white horse.
Like sitting here waiting for the prince arriving on this white horse. Like cat always reminds us of, you know, that Santa Claus, we believed in Santa Claus until we figured out that Santa Claus is just a story, you know? And maybe that's the best way of looking at that everything is just the story and just here and now and the pause is where the pot of gold can be found. And maybe that's the best way of looking at that everything is just the story and just here and now and the pause is where the pot of gold can be found. anywhere you know so that's what I wanted to share and thank you for you Spiel cat it was me thank you and thank you that's beautiful yes the big mind they even call it a big mind it's infinitely big and it's infinitely small it's infinitely big because it's the whole universe it's nothing that's not it and infinitely small because penetrates absolutely everything is nowhere that it is not so it is completely beyond qualifiers and yes it's never not here so move the veil aside even if for a microsecond and roof it doesn't mean that the veil is not gonna come yes it is pure functioning and it's absolutely perfect the way it appears who is there to argue with reality if the mind is chatting well there is a chatty mind okay so the the Return Migration and have a glimpse and then appreciate the story too why not the good stories delightful too I mean you doesn't like a good movie and someone here is a good story here we will all be happy if we get enlightened hahaha hey that's yeah that's that's an old story old story yes how but now that's the beauty there is nothing to get is only to recognize that absolutely everything is already already fully present all that you would ever want to have i'm not talking about the money's in the bank and all that stuff because his the story of me wanting it is just an appearance but all of real value is right here to be discovered to be acknowledged to be appreciated the aliveness the consciousness the presence the being the love of being and even wanting a money is love if i didn't give a about myself why would i even want it not that i care it's just an example okay and we have chemo would you like to mute yeah i would and um i have a real world example here of what we're pointing to and um i think it's going to be a good analogy and the good thing is it's super early in the morning here in the united states so i i think for everyone it's thursday october 8th so my my analogy is going to work even though uh it's a concept that we're all on the same day but um have a real world example here is that there's there's a hurricane warning and i think it's going to be 100 mile an hour wind so we have to evacuate today and there's all kinds of things to do for a hurricane you know it's like you say there's there's stuff to do or there's nothing to do and they're varying levels of preparedness there's money to make the gasoline stations are going to make 20 more cents per gallon all the convenience stores are going to sell all their brands and they're going to sell all their brands and they're going to sell all their brands and they're going to sell all their brands and they're going to sell bottled water and little hand wipes and snacks and everything's going to go off the shelf and batteries are going to be gone and some people aren't going to do anything about it right nothing you know it's like okay there's a hurricane coming i'll take my chances i'm going to put my car away and hope that the flood waters the storm surge doesn't come but then there's a spiritual yeah so i think i mean it's about time to finish saying you never know but what they they do play out in in in their hate shows isn't something to be done you don't know that it's G-D-Y-O-N-A you like hope that's where you will find where to call bottom line in life if you think of it individually and choosing that purpose got to us there are benefits for thoughts that we cutting flooding does some but there are benefits because of frozen Mortal cold land there's this one thing i've heard a lot about let's just define a little bit who's a hurricane is pretty good if we're making it a healthy hurricane and finally put it on a scale there's a group of people out there that are not know we're making like a hurricane me.
So my psychological suffering about hurricanes is gone. I know all the things to do. I'm the best talker about this. I know all the pros and cons. And, you know, I've had, I've had two, you know, a couple awakening experiences of how to be better prepared and how to be free, free of worry. And then, I don't know, Australia is probably still the spring, you know, even though you hear my story about the hurricane, you may or may not think of me today. You may remember it Tuesday when I come back online, but you're going to put in a biscuit or make some coffee. It's no big deal that the United States has a hurricane.
All kinds of things are happening. There's tons of stuff to do. Evacuation, putting out sandbags, clearing the pier of stuff, all kinds of stuff to do. But right now, whether you're in Europe, there's no cyclone. Whether you're in Australia, whether you're here in the United States and Florida taking action for the hurricane, doing it, so called doing it right, I'm doing hurricane preparedness right. Or that I'm just totally freaked out, you know, I'm bat crap, just wired, bouncing off the walls. I have all this suffering about the idea that. hurricane could destroy my home. There's tons of stuff to do, tons of stuff to worry about, tons of stuff to be psychologically free from after I've talked to the expert, I've read the thing, I've had all the preparedness experiences.
But what did I have to do for it to be Thursday? What did you have to do for it to be Thursday? What if you did nothing, would it still be Thursday? Everything that's happening right now is happening in Thursday. And I know that's a concept, but it's the same thing with awareness. It's the same thing with your pure being. It doesn't matter who you talk to, whether you ever got involved in spirituality, whether you ever had a jolt, of I get this, or you didn't, or you lost it. It's not to be found. The answer to this stuff is not to be found in the mind.
It's not to be found in the activities of reading or attending meetings. It's the simple fact that it's Thursday. It's. It is. And what is it is? We say it's Thursday, and we don't look at the it's part. The it is is the same thing Nisar Gaddaad is pointing at the I am I am that that is Thursday. That is Thursday being hurricane. That is Thursday being confusion. That is Thursday being a muffin and coffee and not caring because I don't have cyclones in my country. That that is can't get away from that is can't get away from the fact that it's Thursday. No matter what you do, drunken stupor, making $10,000 today, getting all the hurricane stuff to protect your house.
There's nothing you can do or nothing you can't do to change that. It's Thursday. I guess you could get a paper calendar and circle Friday and say it's Friday, but it's not true. It's Thursday. It's. It is. I am. I am that. That's the basis of what we're talking about. As soon as we get into books, as soon as we get into meetings, as soon as we get into experiences, as soon as we get into there's something to do to get there's something to do to be. Think about how ridiculous it is. There's something I need to do for it to be Thursday. Like, I don't understand that it's Thursday.
But I wonder what. I have to do to make it Thursday. Can you see the ridiculous in that? Every everyone who's hip to what the calendar is knows it's Thursday and knows that you're in Thursday, whether you know it or not. It's the same thing with your true nature. There's nothing to do to be. And there's nothing to do for today to be Thursday. I land there. Thank you. Yeah, that's that's brilliant. That's really spot on. And Jenny also says here, great analogy, Kimo and heart. Yeah, lovely. That is see that really kind of highlights to which extent it couldn't possibly be a matter of achieving.
Achieving Thursday for me in the future when I practice enough is a simple recognition of what is already solid. And there is nothing to do to be beautiful, says the end. Yeah. So it's a simple matter of recognition. And honestly, for the mirror, for that field of such it, Ananda, does it even give a shit? Whether that recognition is present or not. It's just temporary appearance in that eternity of nothingness. That's it. It's just a temporary dream appearing on the screen. Whether that realization even dawns or it doesn't, whether that recognition, oh shit, it's Thursday. Is there or not? Does it even matter? But of course, if I'm locked up in the cage of concept of being limited, poor, miserable, unworthy character.
Who needs to achieve Thursday to be happy or to liberate it. And I'm obsessing about that day in and day out. And I'm on the search. And I'm victimized by the fact that I will not like Sandra was saying, I will not be happy until I get enlightened. Then yes, the natural compassion comes. Hello. Wakey wakey. It's Thursday. And Jenny says. I'm going to put the glasses better put the glasses. Jenny says now we have a new name for stillness, space, awareness, consciousness. It is Thursday. Yay. Yay. Since time immemorial. They called it. Today. Or now. But of course, since time immemorial that time that now and that today have been abused and associated with so much crap.
Thursday will do just nice. Yeah, that was beautiful. Anyone any contribution and a question and a quote any. And willingness to perhaps answer question or maybe add or highlight or summarize or any anything anything jumps up. I just I mean, I just want to say once more to chemo. That was such a brilliant analogy. I mean, it was sometimes, you know, words can be used in a way to really paint a picture. Concepts that can be. That the mind, you know, when you paint a picture with words that the mind is so surprised. That it cannot protest. And the way you use this analogy with Thursday was just so brilliant.
I mean, it will stick Thursday. It's there's just so much joy now when I just say Thursday. I just wanted to highlight that once more. Yeah. And the hurricane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the hurricane in itself. The weather, the hurricane. Wow. That's what's happening. Did it? Was it necessary for the hurricane to come? Maybe. We can have a story about, you know, like, why. Karma. But deed. Or, you know, gas stations making money. Is it ethical? endless endless conversations stories can be painted over that simple appearance i'm gonna just pick the card just gonna pick the card and that's another another stunning stunning sunset recognize that it says mind which is duality works in interrelated opposites it can't work in any other way it grasps things it can't grasp nothing any trying is futile there is no answer to life in thinking obviously and yes we did address that one already that there is no answer to life in thinking and it explains it really really well it explains why it can't be it can't be the thinking is designed symbolic language is designed to represent things with symbol things with with words how can it represent or grasp that which is underlying the pure consciousness which isn't a thing so i can just read one more maybe it will start spark the discussion and this is it looks almost like a front of a hurricane but oh wow it is from the sky view from the sky and there is another view from the sky but this one is after or perhaps eye of the hurricane or maybe in a clarity or stillness after reflect on that a person oh is a person a person a person a reality or a mask we put on who told you you are this bundle of concepts this was the thing that i posted today on bob's facebook group uh which was never really bob's it was just one of the of bob's friends that started it uh but bob enjoyed it too when he was around uh who told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know people told you you are this bundle of concepts that was a reminder that you know i am a person i'm female i'm this and that it's uh it's it's just a loose garment and it should be worn loosely for the navigational purposes and we have birut says hank has a nice background of him watching the speaking hank that reminds me of the two birds parable from upanishads told in the other meeting two birds sit on the same tree one bird is on the lower branch eating the sweet and bitter fruits of the tree the other bird sits silently on the higher branch simply watching the other bird please comment on that okay we have we have yvonne has the hand up and is uh and is on mute so would you would you comment on that um i was commenting on that i was commenting on that i was commenting on that i was commenting on that i had to hand up for a little while because when we asked was it necessary was it necessary that bob uh was um yeah an alcoholic or was it necessary that i went to that special guru or whatever that reminded me of uh the quote of nisa kadata van does love act deliberately was it necessary that yeah is it does act does life act deliberately yes or no was it deliberately was it deliberately was it necessary yes and no yeah it's uh it is it's a thing and it's uh yeah yeah the whole idea of the necessity is is the idea coming from the reference point necessary for who and from the birds that is uh the one who's still on the tree that's uh the one who uh yeah that's the the uh our our nature our uh that does nothing that is the still uh that is the with just happening the natural state that does nothing that is the still uh and and the other one is the one uh the person who is eating and one is only watching and the other one is uh thinking that's that it's it's a bird and does the things and it's and identified Yeah, yeah.
So you can see, you know, there is the mind acting and there is an awareness of the mind acting. So there is a bird eating and there is a witnessing of the bird eating simultaneously at once on the same tree. There is a metaphor of just that one activity, which is on one hand is being utilized, on another hand is being registered. Anyone else? Anything? And again, in that metaphor, we have birds because it's beautiful and it's visual. But for the registering or for the witnessing, you don't need pair of eyes. The no-ing, that's the no-ing. Which isn't I, no-ing. It's just the no-ing, the activity.
So I just have a couple of people joined us. And welcome. So again, anyone would like to jump in, add something, contribute something, summarize, highlight? Otherwise, I'm just going to pick one more card. Oh, yeah, Isabel, you go. I don't have. I don't hear you very well. How about you guys? Are you hearing Isabel all right? Because I have like, oh, yeah, try that. Try that. Because it's kind of breaking, like if the microphone is covered up or. Yes. Oh, what a difference. Much better. Wow. Oh, my gosh. Yes. Yeah. I was speaking about your spiel today. It was really, wow. Yeah, beautiful. I cannot bring something else with it.
But, you know, and also the question from Hank. Yeah. That's so important that we have questions that you also can open up and have an insight for to, yeah, to unfold. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And unfolded everything. And on every side, beautiful. What really, yeah, the mirror, the mirror, the mirror, my touch, the mirror, yes, the reflection that's everything, like you say, even as a thought of it, reflection to the I am before everything is appear. Everything is singing song. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. or hearing the song or tasting or yes the reflection that's such a beautiful yeah how you say yeah the mirror is really uh and then you can also see it's all empty and it's all there that's the that's that's the so rare to see it the reflection and yes especially when i when i go when i when i walk you you know when you walk and you have to reflection and it's always here it looks like the the the body moving because it's coming it's it's it's following but that is the reflection of the mirror is such a great recognition and you can speak like that and you see all the colors all the forms and this beautiful life this morning i was listening to something and they say listen in india was it really in the old times the body was a bag of bones and only the the the seeing was important but you know now and and now we can see it you can see that because it's there the body is there and you can see that it's there and you need to see it and and see that it's there that's how you know it's there that's what i meant to say it's getting closer to the body and that's where the reflection is and it's moved it's not turned on it's not a text but it's in the one-time reflection and so that's why you know you can enjoy the body we enjoy also the reflection it's there and it needs this body for to taste something or to hear something or to make love is this beautiful vehicle this uh sometimes are really a little bit sad i cannot use the beautiful language as all of here but uh there's a really repeating here but uh yeah to see that is also it's a miracle that you have dreaming this dream and existence is before everything and then you look and you see and you taste and all all senses are open yes that's also such a beautiful thing to see that the senses already are open always and uh yeah maybe can dean say something beautiful on the end i'm a little bit stumbling with my language and give it a try dean and you want yeah then you are invited now i i i sort of listened from in the car um the last sort of half an hour that i could could make it so i i heard i heard i heard chemo and and the thursday and i did but i didn't hear you the mirroring um at the start um but you know i so i don't know what to summarize but but you know like i was listening to thursday and hearing the the undeniability like what did you do to to to for it to be thursday you know and and the fabulous like metaphor and example and pointer in it all and you know it just reminded me of so many magnificent pointers of bob's and and all of them are so brilliant that like they're they're all showing something and then you know it's like as brilliant as it is and this is not disrespecting any pointer in any way um is there a thursday if i don't think about it you know you know all of a sudden the pointer it does its job and then there's poof there's it's absolutely let go it's like letting go of the you know the observer the witnesser the the observer of the observer the the all ideas like it's like a colapsation of all of them because everything every movement is is the mind every movement so you know like say relax but like the idea to relax is not relaxation um relaxation is the colapsation of all movement of all movement of of an you know and right now do you realise that hayden doesn't provide all of that but the thing that he presented here uh have you he's pushing all the all the elitism in thatured it with non-conceptual presence, non-concept, no concept, no label, no distinction, no position, no distance, no formulation of any energy, any idea that anything should be anything at all.
You can't do, no one can do this. You can't do this, but it's like the energy of that mind that has been created to embed it in those thoughts is an idea that there's a me running the show. That whole system, that whole system is the collapsation of that system itself. And what is left? What is left? It's unknowable. It can't be known and yet there is a knowing. The knowing we talk about is not knowledge and something that's learned from a book or from a teaching or from a pointer or from an experience. It's the knowing of the existence. That's the shit, the knowing, not the shit, the shit, the shit.
And what is that? That's here. That's immediate and no one is excluded from it. There isn't anyone because it's one show, but in that there is no exclusion from it in any way. It's the shit. It's the shit, shit, as Jenny says. The shit, the shit, shit. Yeah. The whole shit, the whole shit, shit, shit, shebang. Yeah. So it's, you know, yeah, it's nice listening to everyone and the mirror as well. Like, you know, looking at the mirror, it's, it's, wow, this is like a, this is, you know, you can see that what is being reflected. You're thinking, who is it, who's being reflected? What, how, who, what it's been reflected on?
It's the whole reflection. The whole shebang is the reflection. And the reflection appears in seeing, in the seeing itself. And, and everything's inclusive in that reflection. But like if, when you look at a mirror, like there appears to be space and distance and this and that and the other, it's a mirror. Well, it's a, it's a complete... but it's, well, it's a complete mirror. It's a mirror. Yeah. It's a mirror. Yeah. Yeah. It's a mirror. Yeah. It's a mirror. Yeah. It's a mirror. Yeah. It's a mirror. fast. You can't touch it. You can't grab it. It can't speak. And yet, when you speak to a mirror, it appears to be speaking.
When that mirror moves, there appears to be movement. But the mirror can't move. The mirror can't speak. The mirror doesn't have dimensionality and space and distance and time and cause and effect or anything. It's just a piece of glass. It's a mirror. And yeah, that reflection analogy is absolutely brilliant. I wish I'd heard all of it from the very beginning. But I guess there's a little reminder here about all the pointing and pointers and, you know, to... you take them on and then you let them go. I think the Ramana's, you know, the thorn to release a thorn. But I don't like quoting anyone really, because because all that comes out of this mouth is the direct experience of that nothing, nothing, anyone or anything can be said or read that can actually describe or tell some fictitious character that this is it, because this is undeniably it.
And it's that it-ness and that is-ness and that aliveness for everyone. No exceptions. No exemptions. There is nothing, there's no one that can be separate from it, no one that can be more in it or less in it or because it's all encompassing. And that's why it's called the Absolute. And, you know, that's why Bob started the meeting with like you start with that fact, start with the absolute fact that you are that. And in that, everything is and, and everything isn't too because everything, the thing-ness is a reflection. So, So everything appears yet the unreality of it is also there. And the beauty that it feels or seems really is also there to be celebrated as life itself, as the aliveness.
So there's a lot of little emojis flying all over the place. This is like a, like a space invaders game. And thank you for listening. And it's nine o'clock. Thanks guys. Thank you. That was pure delight. Yes. That's and that's really such a vital point pointers. And I think Kimo has highlighted at some point also, you know, pointers have to be used. Don't dismiss them before they do their job, but when they do their job, by all means, you know, they, they not the boat that, you know, once you cross the river, you carry on your back in the forest. No point point, no point in the pointer.
And the answers that was so beautiful Dean. And Jenny says, thank you so much Dean brilliant and so lovely to get a belly laugh from the shit. Shit. She bank. Hallelujah says, uh, has, uh, says Hank and the answers, uh, I just found the frogs and was looking for the cups and, uh, and that's that, but also back and that's that. Yes. So Jenny's got a last word. Maybe. I just wanted to thank you Dean because always when you come and when you, when you are asked to, to just, uh, make a conclusion or you wrap something up, I mean, what comes out of your mouth is so brilliant, so profound and, and also always there's something that really evokes this belly laughter that comes so natural.
Yeah. And I just want to highlight the big gift of that because, you know, so many times, all that has to do with spirituality, blah, blah, blah, is always so much serious business. And when you share the joy that comes out, I mean, it ignites, it lights up the universe, you know, and that brings out the, who brings out the part in me, that wants to come out and play. And I'm so deeply grateful for that. I just wanted to highlight that. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Jenny. Let's all play together as that one essence playing, celebrating as that one. Yeah. And yes, by all means it is energetic, you know, like walk the walk, just it's not, it's not the words that I spoken, but, but also the, the energy behind it.
Yes. So thank you everyone. Thank you for hanging out and hopefully you have a wonderful weekend and then see you. See you next time. Lots of love. Thank you all. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.