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You know, we have folks who spend 20% of their sharing talking about how no one else shares this correctly. And we have like the fallacy of false equivalency or the halo effect. It would kind of be like if I said, you know, there are only a few kind people who ever walked the face of the earth. You know, we have Jesus, Mother Teresa, and Kimo. So I'm kind of like falsely putting myself in that group. So, and we kind of plucked Sailor Bob into this. So what was shared is Sailor Bob, Gilbert, and Gilbert Minions kind of have a monopoly on this. And a lot of the other people, you know, they don't.
They may not be so confident or so eloquent. And the pointing falls on deaf ears. It's kind of flaccid. Like it doesn't bring the person to that stillness or that presence that Bob always pointed to. Bob was quote unquote uneducated, but he always pointed to the stillness. And I always do. And Gilbert always does. You know, this isn't me speaking. This is the person presenting. And my thing is that the teaching or sharing element to that is, okay, these other people are flaccid and they can't, they're incapable of bringing the person to this recognition of presence or the stillness. And it's always about becoming, right?
You know, when we're dividing, sharing and stuff like that. But Bob said, you already are that. That light of knowing is already there. There's no person that needs to come from being a person to being aware or being brought to that presence, being brought to this awareness. There's actually no one who needs to do the investigation. And I know that flies in the face, even with good pointing, right? But there isn't. There's simply a recognition of pure awareness, formlessness, and or some combination of, I feel like a person, I feel like I'm carrying the burdens of the world, but you actually, cannot ever becoming. Correct you can't actually ever be coming from a person, you know, like, hey, I can hear how you're talking, you're coming from the stand point of a person.
Correct And this is aih� you actually can't be because there are no people, no separate persons that can cognize anything. So, there's no becoming and it sounds so strange, right? So, it's like in Christianity, we want to become like Jesus. In spirituality, we may want to become like Bob or Nisargadatta or, you know, if you're a Gilbert Minion, you want to be like Gilbert, which is all fine, you know, commendable, but you have to think like that's a limitation. That's a very, you know, Bob, wonderful friend, wonderful husband, wonderful teacher, wonderful pointer, very clear, but that's a limitation. You know, if it's like, okay, I don't want to hear you talk about this anymore, Kimo, so you're, it's Sailor Bob Kimo.
Kimo Gilbert and Gilbert Minions. So, shut up, Kimo, you're part of a solid group now. I don't want to be in that group. I'm already formless. For me to be like Bob is a limitation. I'm not a thing and neither are you if you can hear this right now. What we're pointing at, whether my pointing is flaccid or not or unimaginative or lack of eloquence, it is that, pure knowing right now. It's never obscured by the amount of clouds and by clouds, the analogy would be thoughts of I am separate. I am a person. I'm here, you're there. Even if it's flooded with that and you're under the care of psychologists, you're taking medication or doing therapy, you know, you're, you dislike your parents, you dislike your kids, no matter how base it can get, or how cloudy and stormy it can get, it's still happening in the, in this light of knowing that Bob points to.
There's no one who's here. No, no one who, no one who gets this better. No one who shares it better. Because another thing I've shared is, anytime someone talks, there's either a resonance or recognition. And, you know, I'll tell on myself, is, you know, I brought up Eckhart Tolle at the weekend meeting and, you know, I love the guy. He's as advertised, he's a very loving person. And a lot of things he says resonates with someone who's close to Sailor Bob or has been to these meetings. But other things he says like, hey, here's what you have to do. You have to, you know, if you stay in the presence, this will be some wonderful things.
And sometimes he drifts off into manifesting, like with the secret. But the thing is, when things like that are said, there's a, there's a recognition that what's being said may be superfluous, but it doesn't, it doesn't erase that he's a beautiful man and that it's a very enjoyable sharing to be part of. It just, it just may not be something that you're, you're not going to be. And I'm not going to be your cup of tea, and it's really not my cup of tea anymore. But, but yeah, never think that you have to become, never think that, definitely never think that you have to aspire to be like someone, whether it's Sailor Bob, Jesus, Ramana, or Nisargadatta, because you're not a form.
You're not a thing. You're not a concept. Oh, I want to be more like this concept, then I'll be aware. I've even heard it in these meetings on TV, you know, I think it's mostly with Kat, like folks say, I want to have the understanding you have, Kat. I want to have the understanding that you got. Well, Kat never had a recognition. It's just a story. It's just a concept. The whole angst about wanting to see things like Kat, the whole angst about wanting to see things like Gilbert, appearing in what's already perfect. A good litmus test for whether your spiritual thoughts or spiritual path is working is, are you trying to improve on something?
Are you trying to get rid of something, even if it's the me? What is here right now that can't be gotten rid of? The are you unaware pointer? And what's here right now that never needs improvement? It's very simple. And that's all we're pointing at. Seriously. So I love these weekend things. It's like I get my popcorn together. And I think of what kind of self aggrandizing BS am I going to hear this week? What kind of divisive I've got it and you don't have it pointing am I going to hear? So it's entertaining. You know, I love the sailor Bob teaching and, and all the folks who are, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, part of it.
But everyone who's listening to these things needs to get see past the entertainment aspect and see past the, you know, the sinking heart like, Oh, maybe he maybe he does get it. You know, he's badgering me or insulting me. So and I feel that so maybe, maybe he's gotten to a level I haven't. There's no person attaining any level. I'm here, he's out there. And he gets it is an illusion. Both of those are appearing in this shining bright light that you can't turn off that never the Bunsen burner never goes down. It never gets stronger. It's always 100%. Whether their appearance is there, whether there's movement or stillness.
That was another one we uncovered this meeting. Oh, chemo there has to be movement. Sometimes I am sometimes I'm not. You always are movement. Movement happens in this appearances apparently appear. It's just the mirror. The mirror is always the same whether it's a dark silvery surface, or changing appearances, the mirror never moves at all. And there's no separateness in the reflection. It's already there reflecting the reflecting it if things are appearing right now you've got it. You are. Are it you don't have it you are it. Now, now we get caught in the okay, what's appearing is wrong. And, you know, you know, you could point it right back at me.
Oh, you talking about these Sunday meetings means you're saying something's wrong about the teaching the self aggrandizing teaching won't maybe so but see, look past that and see that all of us all this pointing all this. Driving isn't leading anywhere. It never moved at all. It's just that mirror, no matter how much we wave no matter how much we strive. We can't get anywhere. There is no you to get somewhere. There's just that pure cognition. That reflection in the mirror itself. Always the same. Always and ever. The same. Always and ever. Needs no improvement. The only thing that needs improvement is the imagination of things that are assumed to be real outside of the mirror.
So this this image jumped outside of the mirror and now it's not me. There's me as an object in the mirror and other objects in the mirror that I take to be me and other even even if that's your view right now, it's still a reflection in your soul. It's still a reflection in your soul. It's still a reflection in your soul. It's still a reflection in your soul. undamaged unassailable surface right now. It can't. It can't be otherwise. It's perfectly pure. And never let anyone tell you that that it isn't or that you're unallowed to share or that you're sharing is unclear. Stick your chest out.
Say what you're experiencing loud and proud because we're all that cognition. We're all that awareness and I pass it there. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you, Kimo. I do really appreciate you opening up and speaking it up loud. And I really, really hope you do it there as well. Because I'm not part of this meeting. But I was told I mean, Julia told me that she doesn't really she can't stand up to those bully boys, bully boys police. She just let them rumble. And I say, Look, if you need help, I'll come and do some. Some mess in the sandbox. But if you find you know, it's not my call.
I did actually experience some of that. I mean, as early as few weeks after Bob passed away, I had those big boys harassing me with calls and messages. How wrong this group is one of the guys who used to actually be in that group and used to actually like it. And I'll be every single individual who was speaking here. They're how dare they and it's impossible is only for the few. It's not that everyone is aware of existence. That's not how it works. There is a separation there clearly, we versus them, you know, and and this is not the essence of the message. This is not what the message is about.
So basically, the couple of them just even came to my home and tried to shut me down with this one. I just killed him laughing. Just could not not laugh. because of the ridiculousness and funny enough today I had a meeting with someone I have meetings over zoom and I have meetings in person so I had one who was living not very far away and he said his only exposure to non-duality was via Tony Parsons and I said I heard the name but I couldn't really listen much to what he had to say because you know Bob already told me that he had a lot of shit to say about Bob and everyone else and as much as I just didn't really care what what he had to say I was never drawn to verify it until the one nice fine day we were invited to speak on the nothing conference and we gave a chat we had a little interview and then soon after was this guy this Tony Parsons having an interview I say oh that's my chance see what he has to say radical non-duality into many many I'll see if there was more than one and the poor poor man he couldn't manage to stay 20 minutes on the razor's edge he had to go off and please himself rubbishing uh Nisargadatta Eckhart Tolle and few other people just couldn't poor bug it's like there's no one there is no one there there's no little Tony there who can't you know like who can't really use himself that little pleasure of separation and division and superiority I'm better than them is just life expressing through the conditioned mind so those who preach separation and I'm bigger I'm better you'll never get where I am you will never be as smart and wise and clear as I am keep separating because otherwise how can I ever feel superior there's still no one there so you look at you look at this machine singing whatever it has been attuned to you see that mind repeating its own beliefs you know who knows what sort of an abuse what sort of father you know that was just again seeing the life at its finest falling off the razor's Edge of pointing requested to point but doing only the best it can moment and same it explains beautifully why all those great Masters and Gurus keep pushing their own beliefs their own diets their own views on health or or practices or anything because there is no one there it's just a conditioned machine and the life blowing through that flute and producing only that music only that melody that is already preconditioned in the way the flute was constructed and and to the tune it was a ton it was tuned so I do still hope that for just the sake of love for the truth and the joy of you know calling calling out for that and even the sake of others who are tuning into it that you actually pointed because I could I couldn't manage I mean I had conversations with with Gilbert and few others and asking them really really precise questions what ego you think needs to be exposed and humiliated who told you that ego is real therefore it needs real destruction it wasn't Bob I don't know who told you that but have you actually checked because maybe you could find out for yourself that there is nothing that needs exposing and destroying and then chill and land in the appreciation in the natural joy of being without needing to fix anyone realizing that if there is no ego that needs fixing and exposing here there isn't anyone anywhere else either so there isn't anyone who needs to improve achieve get anything get anywhere it is just the recognition the life here recognizes the same life out there separation is conceptual it comes with ideas with no ideas there is just this celebration of life beaming out from every pair showił of life of life beams out from every pair showںo Heart creaking out from every pair of eyesAF lagi çok pleasante video so I hope if you enjoy so I would loing how a gia Zahlen subscribers know how high this song is costs theres is no going onde eva as well okay so first I will let them wait that song.
me eyes so it's just the the beauty and the joy of pointing i had like four phone calls today and two long individual meetings that's the job that i would really really struggle doing if the topic was any other than this because this is energizing if i was to talk about navigation driving ships or constructions dive support please shoot me but this you know this is invigorating and especially when there is a resonation especially when there is an openness and a recognition and this is the point of pointing to actually show that hey really there isn't anything of value that cat knows and you don't don't or the other way around that which has true value is clear and undeniable right now awareness of existence if not for existence all that knowledge okay i might have read some books or listen some audio books or or or accumulate some information and so every one of you might have accumulate information and some information might be more marketable and bring more skills or money and so every one of you might have accumulated some knowledge and more skills and bring more skills or money or whatever it is but what value would that have if there was no power no life moving through that body there is no information that has any value if not for the i am if not for the existence so information is secondary knowing or there even understanding or wisdom the only understanding there ever is that could really be gratitude conceptually is the answer is not in the mind you can't get it give up quit trying that's it that's very very very simple pointer it it has all that needs to be known by the mind and yet there is a knowing undeniable the knowing the capacity to know the capacity of being translated being and knowing which are inseparable translated to seeing hearing tasting touching smelling and imagining and fantasizing and dreaming and all that but still the capacity for existence being knowing and appreciation appreciation of existence that is undeniably here and one could say oh yeah but you know there is so much joy in the way you express it i can't say there is that much joy of course not if you keep comparing you're in your mind and isabel would you like to unmute and i only read the comment here yvonne says it's thursday hey hello hey what looks what looks the side beautiful it's new wow look really good but yes yes yeah the knowing what Bob's very very good pointed with his pointers whatever you see the knowing everything that is is only experiencing and experiencing for example when you have a thought you make a thought yes you have a thought and you know that there is a knowing of that yes and you can go yes the knowing of the yes yes the knowing of the yes and then you can really really look for yourself that they are together there is no separation in a knowing from this I just take a candy in my mouth before I speaking sorry but that is such a crucial seeing that knowing of the thought yes yes knowing of the yes yes the knowing of the yes that is unseparable and so it is with all it all our experiencing all the experiencing is always as one what everybody's has it's not I have it and you don't have it and that's awareness make no choice or I don't want to taste that candy or I don't want to hear this voice because it is already there the knowing of that voice and knowing of this taste is one open happening already and that's such a great seeing that the knowing has no my English is always that's pure computer is not good with English but the knowing knows that this new computer is not good in English you know the knowing is unseparable this is one one always one and that's such a great seeing and the knowing from everything from all experience and you was five year when you was a teenage when you asked not make law first time the knowing was always there but the knowing has no has no grasping and there's not an object because there are no objects in real there's only the knowing and that's such a good seeing to see really like that for your own experience that the knowing is open free wild loving to be yeah that knowing is always here and then you can see this call of dream dance what we see here there's only the knowing of it and you know and also that awareness it doesn't wake up in the morning and the body open his eyes it was already it is already here always even I you sleep because the consciousness can't take it color or form even when you sleep it is there even when you have a dream there is the knowing and the knowing is always there and you can see this is the knowing and the because when you wake up in the morning you say hey that was a beautiful dream Wow I could fly or something and there was a knowing and you know it in the now because you wake up and you speak to your daughter or your friend oh I had beautiful dream yeah the knowing is now now now directly and you see that awareness or here was that really not clear to see I was thinking always awareness was needed this be your computer this avatar to be there that was always a little oh I was always how can I be how can I be but in knowing that awareness never sleeps it's always there always there but it's not there it's not there it's not there it's not there consciousness like Bob always told to us where I need to go and this body is dying it's gonna stinks where are they right where are going so there's no going there is no and you cannot grasp it with this I tried a long long long long time it's like cat always mention it's not find in this be your computer what is full of it or around things when he was small what is full of it or around things when he was small yes that's I want to share today thank you yes beautiful thank you Isabel and yes absolutely that undeniability of experiencing and Yvonne says here the knowing seeing is the only constant always awake and Hank says I know that I do not know is also knowing and Yvonne says that I know for sure I don't know and Jenny would you like to unmute hang on oh yeah here yes what wants to come through here is it coming back to the topic we had on Tuesday which was unaltered unmodified uncorrected that to leave things that they are in that we really don't have a choice because things will be as they are whether we disagree with them or not or whether we think we can change it or not and the same goes it and that goes for everything you know everything is I mean if we have come to some kind of conclusion or agreement that they're only seeing the really is, is life itself, intelligence, energy, life expressing in different ways, whether it is expressing as a cat, as a chair, as a tree, as an emotion, as a blown up ego, or whatever, you know, it's, it's still just life, you know, life expressing.
So I just love when Bob pointed to the fact, watch the mind and see how it operates. That goes for everything, you know, and I love the way, Hema, where your awareness shows up. So much when you said, well, you could point my sharing directly back at me, you know, not everybody would actually be able to make that turnaround and to, to view life expressing itself from many perspectives and many angles. And isn't that what self-awareness is? I think that's what self-awareness maybe is, is to be able to, to have the eyes, the senses open in all directions, not just looking at what the others do or what's outside, but the whole shebang, look at everything from all angles.
And sometimes it may seem as something is obscured. You know? So if one wants to try to find understanding for those claiming that they have got it and others haven't got it. Yeah. It's easy to understand that it can look that way. Because of course, when we look at this guy, sometimes it actually looks like there is no blue sky at all. Yeah. Because it's so clouded because there's so much overcast. So yes, then I could judge and look at that sky as, as if it was actually non-aware, not blue, you know, not self shining. And that is the perspective that the sky is looked upon from, from that point of view, when you think that somebody hasn't gotten it.
It's just the forgetfulness that behind the overcast behind the clouds, there is the sky is always blue, perceived to be blue. It's just a metaphor. So it's just depends on what goggles are existence is viewed through, you know, so it's just life, intelligence, energy. So it's just life, intelligence, energy. So it's just life, intelligence, energy. And I, this, I have myself loved to argue with people in times to discuss that I really loved being right. I can see that that this life form has loved being right. And I enjoy these days smiling at the fact when I catch myself and that I love being right.
And seeing that that too is just, you know, an expression of, of life, but it's just the isness, you know? And now I, I can track that a part of me wants to say, oh, sorry, I'm rambling. Then I say, no, no, why? Why should I say sorry that I'm rambling? It's just life again, expressing. Yeah. It is maybe a different thing that doesn't quite have and maybe like also Kimo pointed out, maybe the rambling will resonate with somebody. Maybe it won't. Maybe it won't. And that's okay, too. And that's okay, too. So that's what I wanted to share. Over and out for now. It resonates with me.
I love your rambling. Yvonne, would you like to jump in? Yes. Yes. others who haven't got it there are no others it's only only life there are no others so in my case when i think about my um yeah problem with my girlfriend it's all on life she's not guilty i'm not guilty and no one is getting it or is is it's just life and we don't know how it goes further it's all uh yeah it's all on life and it's the only player so when you know that yeah sometimes yeah you see your mind see how it functions and you see your mind goes to the right to the left and then oh yeah it's it's busy again it's uh yeah maybe i should not have done this or i should have not said that or should have said that or whatever or she could have be other than that it's all in life there's nothing wrong with anything and that's where the where the joy and the peace is that there's nothing wrong with nothing it's all just this and that's the razor's edge where you can uh can be and it's very narrow because you can easily slip off it but uh but it's a good point good to be there and yeah and it's not wrong when you slip off the edge because you can go back again and uh and stay again on the on the small and even sleeping office on life too isn't it yes there's nothing wrong with slipping off because i'm not doing it it's just all happening and and my girlfriend understands this this too we we can talk about this stuff and she understands it and and still it happens we can i can't even say what this is she can't say how it happened and i can't say i can't say how a person can't say what it's going to happen and i can't even say that it should happen or she knows it so for now we um yeah that is there's waiting for the next move we don't know it so that's what i wanted to share thank you yeah yeah that's it just being curious about the unfoldment of life because yes absolutely everything is on life including blaming other people including that I get it and you don't, how dare you sharing, even that, even that fact that there is a projector here and it projects its own confusion and its own beliefs of separation, even that is on life, even that, everything is just nothing else, it's none other, it's only one God, there is none other, we call it life.
It's infinite. Yes. It's infinite, yes. Mmm, yeah. And Blaženka, would you like to unmute? Are you on mute? Yeah, I just did it, yeah. I guess I'll just continue, like, you know, even making a point of, you know, what's consistent, the only thing that we know is I know I am. That's the only thing. Everything else is added, beliefs, stories, being told, believed in, but that's constantly changing. You believe one thing one day. It's like, you know, we use Santa thingy for, as an example, but it's not just that. Like, you believe in one thing, like, you know, this tea is so good, it's going to heal me, blah, blah, blah, until, you know, until the next thing comes.
And us sharing here is the same thing. You just want to express. And it's not even us. It's their life. When it comes to who knows more and who knows less, it's like there is an example with numbers. Is it seven better than six or less than eight? Really? We can't, the life can't express itself without seven and six and eight. So same thing here. That's just how it is. And it's just the beliefs. And when we outgrow a belief, we just move into another one. And that's why we're here is having preference. Like, we can choose. I can go and watch a movie. I can go for a walk.
Oh, no, there is a gathering with cat. That's my preference because it brings me joy. And I do what brings me joy. And even when we share what we think we know with all of this, it also comes from love. Because we just, when I express it and we express it as a that. So someone may resonate, someone may not. And that's also fine. Someone likes chocolate, someone doesn't. And that's fine. So gathering like this is just beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Blaženka. It is beautiful. And the chocolate in response to life expressing us, feeling the blank. And that's chocolate. And Yvonne says, 11, 11.
I assume that's the time. And here is 813. Is 813 better than 1111? Ha, ha, ha. Says the mind. It's only the mind that holds all the opinions. And one of Bob's favorite scenes in Ming's investigation was saying, hold no opinion. It doesn't mean that you might not have the opinion may not arise. Opinions pop up. but holding on to opinions believing the opinion to be reality believing this is my opinion therefore i am right therefore i have to defend it because it is important yes come on jenny no just one thing popped into mind which i wanted to throw into the mixed in regards to how life is expressing itself especially uh when it comes to uh non-duality whatever actually and that is the word kindness came to mind you know and maybe of course that's again a preference and that kindness is also also a word and blah blah blah blah blah all of that but in any case to me uh a resonating marker is that where there is kindness i feel attracted to kindness that doesn't say that that that uh how shall i say force or whatever isn't needed at some times or or an expression more volcano-like or whatever of course you know we have the great example where the uh jesus being the story of him going in and turning all the monglers the tables upside down in the temple you know and uh or uh getting pissed at somebody else and uh and uh getting pissed at somebody else in another instance but uh the the general uh flavor was kindness you know and when i look back on uh on all the calls with bob that kindness was such a permeating uh flavor it was kind of a very powerful thing and and of course i know that there were times where he was younger and maybe he too was a little bit more had more energy behind some pointers or some words or or uh making somebody wake up or whatever you know yet still i just wanted to lift what i don't really know what what i'm pointing at except from yeah maybe cat you two elaborate a little bit more on on on kindness and yeah with pleasure yeah yeah thank you thank you for the topic and it is really you know proof in the pudding uh you know or that biblical saying that by the fruits you know the tree so if you are listening to a grumpy man who constantly complain and bashes everyone else and and run everyone down well there you can oh my goodness do you just learn from me no need to even disagree i justんな do you want to learn from him really or you see a beautiful loving presence of incredible infinite patience and someone who never says no to anyone someone who will you know i will give him a hot dinner and the phone will ring and he forget about me and my cooking and he will go and assist because this is a projector the world out there is projected so hurt people hurt people they feel hurt they feel defensive so they're so bitter that they bite around because they're in defense mode but people who are so empty of bitterness and so filled up with loving kindness can't help but spread what is in there so the spreading the joy spreading the loving kindness rather than the bitterness and grumpiness and justifying oh yeah but the people suffering and you talking about acknowledging life when people really suffer you should focus on suffering you should focus on pain yes of course pain is part of it but if you really know how to look you realize that without the night there wouldn't be a day without the pain there wouldn't be a pleasure you come to pain and suffering with kindness and compassion rather than a proof that you don't get it you stupid you should not that's yeah that's that's that's something that again is a byproduct it's not that oh we will go onto buddhism and practice method meditation or practice kindness meditation then we one day will become as jesus was no it's the other way is that it's the other way as jesus was no it's the other way around he says find the kingdom within find the kingdom first and as you find it the bliss and joy of oneness with god of father of your understanding or higher power the bliss of limitlessness it produces that natural compassion that natural joy of itself is not pretended like you know also spiritual circus often people say oh if you don't love yourself you can't love anyone else so people write the affirmations i love myself i'm kind to myself i love and they consider themselves to be the body or they consider themselves to be mental image of themselves and they create a schizophrenic split no there is an eye that loves and there is the eye that is being loved and it's only on a good day because the next thing the voice will say i hate you you stupid oh you let me whatever the narrative you know these voices in the head changing them manipulating them again creates another sense of split and separate entity with the agenda to fix alter modify and correct while embracing the message ah relaxing relaxing into that trust in you in life realizing that natural affinity that life is already sustaining whatever you consider yourself to be there is already that deliciousness of existence appearing as the capacity to see wow what a miracle isn't it something beautiful to celebrate no no let's not focus on that let's focus on what's wrong in what we see hello back to the center back to the pure existence open up focusing focus laser focus complaining capacity is the thinking mind see that step back and see that tendency to be unkind or to be right or to be defensive see that tendency from the heart space from pure presence and marvel at it bob and i we used to actually really really laugh our asses off when the defensiveness would come up what a wow look at this look at this the mind is you're cringing you know like i had quite quite a journey uh over the years with some of bob's old associates who were doing everything in their power to push me under the carpet and just just convince bob that you know i shouldn't be there or whatever it is and it would be ups and downs it would be confrontations and discussions and bob and i would sit and look wow look at responses to those behaviors in our own bodies and that will always be like wow because even if there is a defensive response here but i am the presence i am a presence and i am amazed at that response arising now i'm witnessing that response arising i am free i am the freedom i am the space i am the consciousness if not for me that conditioned response couldn't be here but i see yvonne and kemo yvonne you were first and yes yeah that's also with my girlfriend that she has a very tough childhood and she can react like a wounded animal and yeah that is very hard and not that is for me very hard but yeah it's it's sometimes you say oh it that's that's too much and not that i think it's too much but life thinks it's too much to you have to uh yeah to to uh take a distance and to relax and uh yeah you cannot do anything but that she reacts like a wounded animal that is that is hard because she can also have the other side but And when she is very low, then yeah, and when I take such a standpoint, then it can be very hard and rough, because that's how life made her as a wounded animal.
And then she reacts like that. And I understand it. But I am not the one who says, oh, now I can't stand it anymore. But there is life who says, no, that's enough for now. I'm not doing it. She's not doing it. But yeah, I have a preference that she has the other side. But unfortunately, that's not always the case. Yeah, life is unfolding. And that unfolding includes the responses, the conditioned responses, and all responses are conditioned. So, yes, that's included. Nothing is excluded. No, unfortunately not. Or maybe fortunately. Maybe fortunately. That makes it very, very simple. Just watch the whole fabric of reality, the whole Maya dancing.
Everything is it. Nothing's not it. It's more simple. It cannot be more simple than that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And Kimo, would you like to unmute? Yes, thank you. I wanted to follow on to something that Jenny was talking about with the cloud cover and unaltered, unmodified, uncorrected. So, kind of like talking in the appearances now, like a reality. Yeah. I mean, I'm not a regular standpoint, like not such a strict non duality. But what this is is already perfect. It doesn't need to be altered, modified or corrected. And definitely the appearance can be seemingly improved. Right? So this huge cloud cover can be depressing.
But there are definitely folks who have an anchor, whether it's a belief or a knowledge of non duality or non duality. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's an anchor in eternal life, a knowing there or something even like a form like your family. And that's pretty dependable, especially if you're older. There's a good chance you're going to outlive your family. But the thing about even improving the appearance to try to gain something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. it's a lie to say like money won't give you like temporary happiness because it will.
But it's only kind of temporary, right? So let's say that we fixed everything up or all, it can never be everything. Let's say almost everything. So instead of having the clouds totally covered the sky, let's say that we had offshore this little Cirrus cloud, and that was all that was in the sky. And it changed a little bit every day, moved a little bit, but it's pretty much the same size. There'd be this initial euphoria like, oh, this beautiful weather, beautiful weather. But then soon enough, even though all those clouds were cleared, the complaining would start. I'm worried about a drought coming. We're probably not going to get any rain if this little Cirrus cloud persists.
Other people would say, well, is this a UFO or another country spying on us? What is this little Cirrus? And we can see the same thing with dry erase boards. If someone's kind of sloppy, it looks really cluttered and it's like, okay, could you please clean this board? And if they leave like one little blue line in the corner, it's like some six inch line. It's like, well, you didn't really clean this. It's like everyone's focused on this. And then you have this little Cirrus cloud that's like, oh, the weather's not going to go into the child's home, but then they say, oh, this is really nice.
That's kind of like some excuse like, oh, no, we're just going to leave it on that one little thing. A real life example from yesterday is, yesterday was Wednesday. Wednesday, early in the day, right around lunchtime. So I got this pizza, and it took an hour and a half to get my pizza, and I noticed, I saw military people, like, coming out with eight boxes of pizza, one little piece of paper, and so I hit on a little pizza and I stored something. I just put it all in the bag, and one day I didn't know there was a room, and I one person at six, and the app said, we're a little busier than normal.
You know, please be patient. So I went in and just calmly state, you know, like, hey, and she said, Okay, what's your number, I'm going to put yours in. And then and then in the meantime, some other lady came in, and she said, What are you guys doing in here? My four year old is crying in the car. You know, I've never waited this long. This is ridiculous on a Wednesday. And, you know, the lady explained to her that we're a little more inundated than possible. So she tried to backpedal a little bit, she tried to make conversation, but it but it didn't really work.
It was just a distraction. But so you would say this lady had could have had all the happiness in the world. So I've known some people who work for dominoes, they pay very well, and their benefits are good. This lady is the store manager. She's not the owner, but she's the store manager. If she's not making $100,000 or more, she's definitely over 80 or 90. But that doesn't matter. So the situation is, the phone is ringing off the hook, people are coming in complaining. I see the computer spitting out orders constantly. And then sadly, some orders even fell on the floor because the conveyor belt is pushing out pizzas that are falling on the floor.
And she's like, washed her, you know, she's like, you know, like, trying to let off steam. She answered the phone. And I heard her I heard her say, Hi, this is Cheryl dominoes pizza. How can I help you? And I remembered this Cheryl. Sure. Her name is Cheryl. And my pizza finally came out and she kind of like, had like a frown on her face and handing it to me. And all I said was, thank you, Cheryl. And in that moment, I didn't create this, but in that moment, I saw her, and it only lasted a couple seconds, but she dropped everything. She smiled at me.
She looked totally at peace. We just had a little moment where she was recognized by name, and I thanked her. But keep in mind, she was at perfect peace in that moment. But that didn't change the fact that there was still the printer printing out things. Things were about to fall on the floor, the phones ringing off the hook, people are pacing in the store, that kind of thing. But I didn't create that space for her. That peace was already there. That peace that path of all understanding, that peace, that awareness, that being that is there, despite what's happening. And that needs to be our anchor, that we need to see that we are already that.
And we don't really need to see it as a person recognizing that, because that was my pointer to start this thing. But kind of like in a normal parlance, that that's true, that there needs to be that recognition that it already doesn't need to be unaltered, that it already doesn't need to be unaltered. Modified or correct corrected, that that beauty, that peace is omnipresent. So I'll pass it there. Thanks. Yeah, beautiful. And Yvonne also says beautiful story, Kimo. And this is really the probably the beat that I love highlighting more and more, there's nothing that has to be created or fixed. Everything's already here. Whatever it is.
You are looking for is here. Just look again. Just recognize. Is it kindness? Look around. Wow, what a kind world. Look, I have this comfy chair. How kind. Is it a beauty? Hmm. Look at this creature here. Just all is already present. The sense of luck is present if you're looking for it. Yeah. And the sense of completeness is also present if you are looking for it. The question is, are you looking with the complaining mind with the machine that takes that life essence, the thousand volt of a pure current of energy and translates it into the applicable algorithm that assist that body mind in navigating the dream survival mechanism, which, of course, is naturally biased towards negativity.
Naturally looking what's wrong? Oh. This can fall over my head. Oh, this one can reject me. This can go wrong. If you're looking with that device. Well, of course, that is what you're going to find. You're going to find complaints. You're going to find problems. You're going to find things needing improvement. And that's perfectly fine within the navigational skills and the necessities of this dream of this setting. But when the immediate danger for survival is not present. Ah, full stop. There is another way of experiencing the world without translation, direct knowing. Sometimes Bob would say, you know, look from your heart, it is heartfelt. It is.
This is the core of the essence, the original core or the, or the heart, you know, heart of the matter. One could say. And look. Stop. Looking through the heart, no words, no concepts, no ideas, just direct knowing, translated into seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling, but not interpreted as, ah, this seeing is not good for me, I don't like it. This hearing doesn't serve me anymore, I don't like it. There is no translation referencing everything into that fictitious center, which is perfectly appropriate to use in navigation. You know, this is a ship, this ship is moving through the choppy waters. It needs the map, it needs the GPS, it needs the coordinates, it needs the conceptual images, it is all helpful within navigating the dream.
But when the sea is calm, and there is nothing to do, and there is nothing to deal with, and one of the most beautiful pointers, I think I put it even as a key concept in that book that I published for Bob's, for the anniversary of his passing, I put up the 42, being 21 key concepts and key metaphors. Number one, full stop. Full stop. What's wrong with right now? And this one says the only way out of the mind is full stop, and the mind is the interpreting complying, complaining, looking for problems, looking to fix, alter, modify, correct. Nothing wrong, but it isn't necessary to work 24 hours a day.
It isn't necessary to take 99% of attention. It is to serve, not to rule. So the only way out of the mind is full stop. In a single instant of pausing thought you do not fall apart or disappear. Life goes on as it does. it reveals the naked non-conceptual awareness that is the base for every movement you are even when the mind is not the stop pause right now do you disappear and i see there are a couple of comments here on the screen and oh yeah sandra says life oh yeah there is more here beautiful story kimo says Yvonne and the peace is indeed always here says Jenny and sandra says life expresses true kimo as a great storyteller and Yvonne says and Cheryl and Jenny and again there is a lot of love and support for you and i'm proud to say that you are amazing and great there is a lot of love and support for you and i'm proud to say that you are amazing and great is no choice life life ink sometimes appearing as negativity sometimes as positivity all just labels anyhow life just life ink and Yvonne says yes the peace beyond all understanding and Jenny says love the full stop refuge yeah it's such a beautiful gift isn't it just full stop just pause just just pause just take a breath relax the thinking just look again there is never not here there is never not now there is never not stillness of that pure clear seeing of that being of that depth of undistracted no matter how choppy the waters are what is going on in this shop like smashing dishes whatever it is in a pizza shop love that razor's edge says Yvonne yes there is there is always that refuge full stop refuge and a peace that passes all understanding the peace that passes understanding because the understanding which is commonly associated with the knowledge of the mind and that peace is when the mind is not that's the full stop through the old path as well yeah so that was i just i just thought of that book a couple of days ago i never get the chance to open it and yeah that's uh 21 key concepts and 21 key metaphors what a wonderful way to explore bob's teachings again from yet another angle we have so many different angles of exploring it and having a discussion and seeing how it resonates or how it doesn't because again you know if there is anything that these beliefs have in common with this world if and if any one of you here experience any confusion around the pointers and sharing or would like to challenge any perspective or see it from another angle just speak it up or if you are camera shy and you don't want to speak just type it down we'll address all of it because that's just what the exploration is to be about everyone has the voice everyone is aware of existence that existence is equal and the same in every expression of life how dare am i saying it i can only know the existence in myself well what i'm pointing to doesn't have qualities it's neither warm nor hot neither high no low it's neither small nor big it has no qualities how could it be different than only qualities different things so the sense of existence the sense of i am the the confidence that i am conscious i'm existing present here is just the same as it is present here in that beautiful creature because it has no qualities my existence isn't more hot than his maybe in some eyes but generally it just is just is and so is yours you everyone is equally existing aware of existence and that is existing and that is the satchitananda awareness of being contentment in being the being is known if you didn't know that you are you couldn't say that you are maybe then you wouldn't be and the contentment the preference for being the fact that you're still here if it was so bad it's not a big deal to just jump off the building or hop under the tram or something or truck is it's you hear there is love of being also bob had this example if someone put the gun to your head you would probably defend love of being so there is a love of being even wanting to be right in the discussion is the love of being it's a self-preservation and that is the reality love of being is the reality satchitananda being knowing loving to be that's the reality the rest is what is appearing in that consciousness in that awareness in that space like reality the sky all the weather all the thoughts feelings fears anxieties suffering doubts seeking and there's been a while since we explored that seeking idea i i love that there is so very uh so much of clarity and understanding in this group and and and so little of that confusion of seeking that oh no no no this i i don't want this this is not good i want some other now that's not good i want some other now that's ridiculous obviously because this is already here but not for the mind okay okay i agree this solid here is too late but in the future i can get another now if i try hard enough but wait a minute what is the future what is it has anyone ever experience it in any other way than the imagining it so this is this is where the rubber meets the road and we have another sandra says the full stop seems easier when the attention goes to the energy that is moving in the body then the mind stops doing its thing because no one is listening and yvonne says yes or on the breath yes and this is beautiful and thank you for bringing it up that is really good you know inspiring pointer reminder yes the full stop is easier when the attention withdraw from thinking and the easy way to withdraw attention from thinking is focus on what is happening what is present right now the breath is always present right now you the sensation in the body the vibration always present right now the sounds the sounds in the background always present right now of course you will see how the mind comes up with the labels for what is happening right now and the preferences oh i don't like those sounds i would prefer another sounds sure and yet still the first step bring the attention away from the mind always these languages then everybody take the observation in different to Central America that is your show here after you enjoy unearned sound and after you change the Эnter opponent I will be listening in the middle of the Jaguar so you can stay conjugate in 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It doesn't have an employment if there is nothing to alter, modify, and correct and fix. But in that stillness of pure existence, in that witnessing, in that being, in that witnessing presence or cognizing emptiness, seeing the mind. And this is really amazing when you, and sometimes I speak with people who have some, you know, like ADHD or trauma bonds or addiction to a really, really big sort of fluctuations between highs and lows, you know, or even family conditioning, which is full of abuse and screaming and yelling and stonewalling. And the whole nervous system is basically finding comfort. In that roller coaster, seeing it, seeing the phenomenon of it is already down regulating it just by the witnessing, just by withdrawing some of that trapped energy in this roller coaster and releasing it for the pure witnessing.
And again, this is not to fix it. There is no agenda in it. You know, that often happens. And it's also that people say okay, so I do meditation and I do all that non-dual investigation. I still don't see the results. Like doesn't make any sense. What's in it for me? No, this is not going to work this way. I will practice and read and study non-duality. So at some point, I will be more happy and I will be less troubled and I will achieve some state. No, it doesn't work this way. It's like, like Jesus was saying, find you the kingdom first and the rest of the things will be secondary.
It doesn't matter what happened in your dream then. But as a byproduct of realizing that you are the basic screen, you are the space, you can't be touched or destroyed by anything that appears on that screen. No Indians and cowboys shooting each other. Every single one of them. Never touched the screen. No fire on the screen can ever burn it. Now with that realization, all the issues that are appearing in the dream, they're appearing just the same as they appeared yesterday and 10 years in 20 and 100 years ago, whatever. They are less serious. The sting is gone. The dream character will still throw tantrums, will still be reactive, may still have the same high lows, addictions.
Or attraction towards the abusers. It can still happen. But again, every time that shortest distance from the head to the heart, the relaxation of the attention and resting in that spaciousness, in that openness, in that curiosity and looking at that trauma response and looking at that misery or sadness. And wow. That's juicy. Wow. That's amazing. Look what this machine is producing right now. It's completely changes the picture. And suddenly, even if the response is just the same. The psychological suffering, the resistance eases off. Replaced by curiosity. Genuine. Not practiced or imagined or somewhat. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. contrived or performed if you realize that you are free safe space like nothing can threaten you nothing can touch you the body will still scream and yell the body will still run away from danger and you love it let it do whatever it does there's no need to fix anything and yet this machine this processor of course it will be affected it grows like Bob would say you know once it gets a grip on you it grows of its own it penetrates everything it does influence the processor that certainty of existence that primacy married value of existence that radiance and appreciation for the miracle itself takes the front forefront it doesn't sit in the background ignored anymore so there's less of that energy even available forgetting the dysregulation and and traumas and tantrums but even if it does and it is being witnessed now, you know, the really, really good movie, when you watch it on the screen, and it makes you cry, and it makes you hop on your chair when there is a moment of suspended horror, the really, really good show intends for you to forget yourself to forget that you are viewing it.
So if such a really, really good show is displayed in that 4d reality, that dream dreamy reality, and you wake up the movie just ended and you see that the body is still shaking. Wow, is the appropriate response. Wow, well done. Oscar performance. Wonderful life good on you. This the whole hide and seek. The whole play of dreaming and realizing the dreaming. There's nothing wrong with that. It's brilliant. And the better it is an active, the more joy from the moment Wow, wow, you know, and that's the freedom because all the promises of eternal bliss and never getting angry, or never getting sad or never catching a flu.
I never experiencing anyone bullying you or or or or you know, workplace commitments, errors, mistake. What are we talking about? That was never the case for the life essence for the basic screen for the space like awareness. So it continues not to be the case. And it was always the case for the dream character. And it continues always to be the case. Okay. Now, what are you? If you are dream character, nothing in it for you in the in the in the non duality. If you remain as a dream character, your life remains just as it was according to the conditioning, of course, learning will happen and adjusting will happen all that.
But if you realize you are not the character, the character is just the avatar is just the vessel. And yet, without the avatar, without the vessel. You can't experience. So the experience is naturally limited to the experience of the body, you can't experience another body, unless you use the imagination. So there is a blending of the dream because there is a dream, there is an awareness of existence, like because there is a reflection in the mirror. We know there is a mirror. But can there be a mirror without a reflection? Can there be a mirror without a reflection? Can there be a mirror without a reflection?
Can you put the mirror and maybe put it in open sky, foggy sky, nothing in the mirror? No, there will be an open sky, foggy sky in the mirror. Never is a nothing in the mirror. There always is something reflected in the dream. There is no awakening from the dream. Not now. So the dream keeps going. And the dream keeps going dualistically. Pleasure pain, joy, sadness, winter, summer, cold, hot, cold. And that's perfect. But realizing that the screen, the knowing, like Isabel was saying, yes, the knowing of the yes, the winter and the knowing of the winter, the cold. And there is this, you know, the feeling of cold and the realization that the feeling of cold was experienced.
That isn't cold. The anger exploding and the noticing the anger noticing isn't angry. It's absolutely free. It's like, it's, it's just knowingness just pure, pure cognizing capacity, the registering noticing. Is that necessary for that? Noticing to be more important than the content of noticing? Yeah. There's no necessity for absolutely anything. As it is, it's perfect already. Including the psychological suffering. Even that is just the temporary experiencing of what's happening. But there is a better way of experiencing and living the dream than believing yourself to be a character in suffering. And if that idea resonates, well, just keep looking because it is right here. It is to be recognized already.
It isn't to be found in the future. It isn't to be achieved through the practice. It's already available right now. Looking at the happening, at the whole appearance, at the whole dream in a way that is like, wow. Looking at your own response. You offended someone. You hurt someone unintentionally. There is a guilt in the system. And noticing it with that, wow. Watching the mind as a marvel. Not as, oh, this is me. This is personal. No, I can't. No. It's a marvel. Learning about this machine. It's dysregulation syndrome. Almost unresponsive. In a way that is completely impersonal. Completely free. And yet, wow, supremely entertaining.
There is a way of living the life in that relaxed, natural state in which everything that appears is just an appearance. That's what it is. I think I have a comment that I didn't. Oh, no, I did. I did. So, anyone? Any comments? Any questions? Any suggestions? Any ideas? Yes, Isabel. Will you explain this? You know, especially... Can you hear it? Is this here? Especially... I cannot find the... To see what's really happening. Sorry, I cannot find the word right now. But, yeah. What are you looking for, Isabel? For example, disappointed. For example, there is disappointment. There is anger. And you can let that free coming up.
And you are really... From the awareness. And it's always now. And now you can see, wow, disappointment. Sometimes you give it a name and sometimes it's an energy from something. And then, okay. Yes. Oh, there is happiness. Okay. Oh, you know, that is so beautiful. That is curious. And it always gives us that... Nothing wrong. Everything is already there. And... The curiosity to see what's life bringing up from moment to moment. And it's beautiful moving. Sometimes scary. Sometimes lovely. Sometimes very sad. Like Yvonne, this girlfriend. You know, he is curious. Like when you burn your hand on the fire. The body said, oh, watch out.
You must take care of it. But when you really, really go here inside, oh, I don't want it. And then comes, hey, stop. Okay, what's happening here? And you go, ah, right back to your heart. And you have your nature. Ah. And then, I'm curious. Oh, is this ever going to end? Yeah. That is such a beautiful, you know. And I say it from my heart. I love it so much that you always give us the spiel. Nothing inclusive. You know? That the dance is already here. And we don't... And we have this avatar. And the consciousness calls us this way. And we have this avatar.
And the consciousness calls us this way. And the consciousness calls us this way. To express itself in this beautiful dance. To express itself in this beautiful dance. Otherwise, it could not know nothing. Otherwise, it could not know nothing. And then, yeah. To see that was always a bad thing for here. To see that was always a bad thing for here. And now when it's bad, okay. Yeah. Also an experience. It is also a knowing from that. It is also a knowing from that. I like the... I'm not sure. I must say. I forget all the... Hank say, I know that I don't know. Yeah. That's also such great, you know.
There is a knowing. But I don't know. Yeah. That I want to share. Yeah. Beautiful. And Yvonne says, no need for television. That's it. Free, absolutely free entertainment. Just stop or pause. Just stop or pause. Sink in, relax. And see what's up. And see what's up. And this is, wow. Ever fresh, ever new. Never the same. This moment, it will never repeat itself. This moment, it will never repeat itself. Don't miss it. This now is fresh always. This now is fresh always. And it's free. Better than any television. Better than any television. Yay. Yeah. Thank you, everyone. And thank you for contributing and hanging out.
And lots of love. Thank you all.