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So the new tradition is, not that new, but is a tradition that if anyone feel that your clarity, understanding and the challenge of speaking up the truth of your own being is up for taking anyone can give us an introduction so it is just to string a couple of pointers together to remind what is equal and the same for everyone to remind and highlight that everyone is already aware of existence there is no one who is not conscious there is no one who is not present and aware of being present and this is the final truth and it seems like very very little or even nothing for the mind but we are not speaking speaking to minds here we are inviting a resonation of much much much deeper core essence or heart of the mind for the mind the miracle of existence is nothing but is it really nothing like everyone wants to preserve life every motivation of every action of every behavior is to thrive is to run away from discomfort find fulfillment it's all asserting the love of being so i'm speaking to the guys here in the room and maybe i'll just spin it a little bit more again just just this way here we have we have brendan with us chris tony joe and ismail and we will respect the privacy of the other part of the room and we gonna invite you guys on zoom if any of you would like to give us a spiel you most welcome as well um hands up or if anyone wants to unmute and just put a couple of things if not that's perfectly fine i can i have tons of ways of introducing it in an easy way hopefully easy and you feel free to interrupt anyone i i would like to i would like to i would like to thank you very much uh to everyone and to sailor bob and to you cat um you know i uh and this is my first time here so i'm a little nervous and afraid to um to um to tie it all together but i will say that i understand it when it's set when when you talk about it i it's very clear to me so thank you thank you and welcome yeah it's like the the more it comes through and the more it resonates and the more it expresses itself the more it kind of reasserts and grows in confidence and then as bob would always say you know it never stops appearing in a 10 000 ways and dancing with itself and and unfolding and uncovering uh itself in a little synchronicities in a little wings where the dream shows up that beauty and the mind comes speechless it's is this is really the the homecoming the recognition is just the beginning the adventure doesn't stop and the dream doesn't end it's like one of bob's friends people who used to have fun conversation with him uh leo hartong wrote a book awakening to the dream bob says look the title says absolutely everything you don't have to even read the book anymore you already know what it is the whole thing about awakening to the fact that it is a dream awakening from the dream is unnecessary why this is this is it this is now and the dream goes on and there is nothing wrong in this moment when the dream goes on the idea that oh no no it has to be different i have to wake up from the dream this has to change this as it is right now is no good this is the mind this is the narrative of the mind saying it when you actually relax the attention a little bit step back and see that commentary that complaining mind then you can laugh you can just relax and see the mind obsessing about things or complaining about things or always wanting what is not always wanting something else something better something more pleasant or creating the dark scenarios of what can go wrong or relieving the past trauma always engaging the attention in the imagination in mental projections not in the dream the immediacy of this what is happening now and what is it apart from the content of seeing pretty amazing big visual field and everything that appears in it inseparable from the field the hearing the tasting the touching the smelling the fullness of this moment that will never be the same again that is absolutely unique unique and is absolutely nothing wrong in if all the channels are completely open if the attention is unfixated if the veil of imagining something different something else something that is not right here and not right now if that imagining is pushed aside gently or is seen true there is nothing wrong life is pretty satisfying or at least it's just nothing wrong because sometimes it isn't you know like if you have a knee pain or if you have a stomach ache or whatever just there are situations that are not entirely ideal and even having the content of the mind complaining about it is appropriate because that's an expression of the love of being even the preference for being pain free and fulfilled is an expression of the love of being so if you actually step back relax the attention and see it as an expression of a love of being ah okay there's nothing wrong with that nothing wrong with being in pain and the mind not wanting to be in pain wow wow even the difficult situations can be okay and also realizing that the whole dream can only appear dualistically you know if everything was white if there was a white picture on the white canvas there is no picture or if there is a dark night and there is nothing seen and or heard there is no expression the the whole beauty of the dream the whole beauty of that experiencing is that it has to be dualistic nothing can be experienced that doesn't have the opposite and that's why the awareness of existence which doesn't have opposite cannot be fully experienced by the mind as an object it cannot because it doesn't have opposite you've never been unaware oh yes you can say oh last night i was sleeping but you can't really relate to that because there was no one who could actually even have it for the comparison so it is undeniable everyone is present is aware is alive and is aware of being present in the life but you can't say that being alive is something warm or hot or low or dark or because those qualities are added and those are the qualities that are of the appearance of the expression if something is hot how do you know because you know the cold if something is dark how do you know because you know the light if something's happy how do you know because you know the sad otherwise the differentiation doesn't happen and the differentiation is the beauty of the whole dream the whole juiciness of that of that incredible appearance so it isn't to discard the mind it has its role it has its function as a means as a tool of expression not as a master not as a source of identity realizing that you are present you are the presence you are conscious you are the consciousness you are if you actually look at the singularity of the experience of seeing just there just just there seeing in english language you have seeing or understanding seeing i see i understand i get it this is kind of similar in a jargon and it is knowing seeing knowing being knowing is kind of similar as a metaphor and bob used that metaphor quite loosely also he says you see that the seeing is happening right the seeing is happening and the idea that there is a little mini me looking out of the eyes they're doing it can be very very easily investigated like make that little mini me stop and you see the seeing still going on it's a function it's a is just a functioning of that whole body mind biocomputer the machine is happening same knowing knowing knowing of existence is always there no one does it there doesn't need to be a nowhere that knows of the knowing it doesn't have to be a seer that knows of a seeing or does the seeing it's a singular happening right now it's happening the seeing the knowing the being the knowing of being the knowing of seeing of hearing is happening now the mind comes and constructs there is a me that is doing the knowing doing the seeing animals don't have that concept there is no concept of the cat that i am a mini little person there or mini little cat that doing the seeing no they won with life they are the field of seeing and so are you and so am i it's just the field of seeing using that particular camera located here just like the field of seeing you know like watching a big uh uh ship security system or or shopping mall or or whatever people have those cameras in their homes and then they have those vantage points a viewpoints in which there is an angle of perception and that is processed in consciousness but does it mean i am that point does it mean i'm that little camera it doesn't the mind for the ease of navigation will assume that there is a there is a person here and there's nothing wrong with that it's quite beautiful we say i why not like it's too boring already i've repeated too many times but you know if we ride in a bus we say i am riding in a bus and i'm not touching i'm not even touching it control or i'm parking a car and i'm sitting still i say oh this this is too small for me this parking space is too small for me like really i'm the car right now but for the purpose of navigation that's a perfect metaphor that's a perfect use of a language i am my car i am my costume i am my face i am this body for the purpose of parking my body on this particular chair you know it's kind of good to assume its shape just like parking a car so there's nothing wrong with the language if we understand what the language is pointing for uh what it is used for and if we see that identity created in the language as something that is serving its purpose rather than being believed to be the truth the belief is the is the main source of psychological suffering if i am my car and i can't fit into that parking spot and i can start feeling oh you know i'm too big i have to lose weight i'm a failure what's wrong with me no one should love me i don't deserve to be loved because i'm my car can you see how every problem you ever have is the problem that is associated with the body i think the cat is actually yes so so looking at it lightly looking at that phenomenon of how the magic trick of identity gets constructed it for practical purposes and appreciating the language and the and the functionality of that idea of me but without subscribing to it fully without real without believing fanatically that i am my body therefore i'm getting old i'm getting forgetful i'm getting fat then i should kill myself or i should go for a therapy no i'm still the same consciousness in the aging car so can i still be completely content in the miraculousness of this ever fresh unfolding moment which unfolds in me in consciousness the whole world unfolds in me in consciousness and isn't that your experience have a look you are here therefore there is a seeing you are here therefore there is this whole visual field it arises in you in conscious awareness and everything that is within that field of seeing also arises in you in the conscious awareness you are you really that small little thing coming into the world or you are the consciousness the whole presence the whole beingness and the world comes into existence in you and isn't it amazing you go to sleep and a different world comes into existence in you or you go on a train of thought and a fantasy about the future vacation or retirement or whatever it is another world comes into existence in you you the consciousness always here you the consciousness as a little child always here the memory the trauma always here right now here last night dream fantasy fear the common denominator the presence of consciousness within which all that is incredible ever fresh ever knew never the same never two moments the same and we have someone else joining us now welcome so this is the call for celebration recognition first then the psychological suffering goes down because it is pretty amazing it's very very simple it's nothing new it's nothing that you need to add you're rediscovering what you were born with you know the little baby already before it even emerges out from the womb is that consciousness hearing the noises of the mother's digestive system and then learning to use other senses of the car learning to drive it throwing the arms and legs and learning to interpret the images upside down and then learning the language or two or three languages learning the social skills you
learning to operate that body-mind machine within the dream, within the consciousness that was always prior, the consciousness prior even emerging out of the womb and the way we use the word consciousness again this is the limitation here because it isn't the right words there is no appropriate description or word for that which we are pointing because it isn't even it it isn't your consciousness I am conscious this is a me being conscious no or awareness awareness awareness which is unconscious awareness which is that pure potentiality within which the movement creates the planets and the galaxies and the solar systems and the and the cells in the mid mitochondria and the sperm and the ovum and then grows the body without having any concept whatsoever of being conscious of being a doer or any of it just the pure unfolding and suddenly having that vessel having that car or that coat or that costume being able to see and hear and taste and touch and smell and dream and imagine and imagine being limited person and imagine having this past or that future wow seeing how it all comes into existence and seeing that right at this moment shit you know all that don't you obviously you know this world arising right here this moment never been the same again you are present if there is anyone who has anything any objections to any objections to what I said up until now whoo welcome please it's very very simple very obvious it's nothing that one could argue with and of course you can argue words the word awareness the word consciousness the word God the word omnipresence the word I am all the words are limited and none of them actually really represent that aliveness present present that presence how could you even describe it is beyond qualities so you can't really describe it like how would you describe the the taste of a fruit to someone who never ate it can't even do it is the pure subjectivity and yet it's undeniable even to deny it you will have to be here to deny it and we have someone else coming yeah okay so welcome all the zoomers and for those who didn't actually hear me say it at the start we just doing a little introduction and if you want to interrupt at any point raise your hand up or unmute and speak and and direct us or ask questions or argue or give us your version yeah yeah the one's most welcome yeah oh yeah we have we may I'll just check if we have any and the comments on people who are watching with us live because this is a big hybrid of what we're doing here so I don't see the comments just yet no I just okay so anyone anyone questions yes uh grab the yeah so I guess I just uh free associate a bit please um so the some fear in the body mind system and there's a cartoon of a guy falling into a bottomless pit and the first panel is like his face is contorted in terror and then there's another panel three days later where he's kind of lying on his back and he's chilled and he's just floating because the pit is bottomless mm-hmm so I guess is that fear of with no orientation points where all of the fictitious constructs mm-hmm are not there then yes it's terrifying yes um so I don't know if the first if I'm more towards the first panel than the third okay even though there's no bottom to hit and nothing to hit that's the one thing yes I think yeah I don't know if you want to respond but I have something else also there's just um mm-hmm with the unrepeatable uniqueness of each moment like a snowflake mm-hmm uh I understand the next moment is just as beautiful and just as unrepeatable but there's that hunger and the sadness and the wanting to cling to the beauty of that moment mm-hmm and so you know I guess how do you navigate that because I I have a lot of sadness with partings mm-hmm and you know if you beautiful moments with Bob that you had that how do you how do you relate to them and not cling to them and be open to what is coming or what's now and not mythologize that yeah that's I guess what I'd like to hear to hopefully reduce my own suffering yeah beautiful beautiful both of those things fear and sadness really clear expressions of love of being isn't it clear clear would you be afraid if you didn't give a shit whether you're alive or dead obviously not you know like going in this uncharted ground and the mind is trying to protect and it's just oh I want to stay alive I don't know what's going on clearly love of being wanting safety what's what's not loving about preference for safety so if you take the label off the idea of fear and you actually stay in that moment of terror yes oh my god I just love safety and it's not there would even that is an idea yeah and now strip that one off as well and just see if you can actually experience this moment without the commentary of the mind that always wants protection always wants to step in and do its function its role survival but if you can spark enough of the curiosity in your own heart to see what it really is without the navigational system see what you're gonna find in the moment of the darkest night of the soul or terror if you strip off that label and you surrender to it completely let it like let it kill you okay I'm good I'm ready to die of it now and I'm gonna die of fear what was would say you know if you have a panic attack imagine the button and you amplify it to the point that you faint that's the worst that can happen you think so what a big deal fighting and I heard over the years quite a few people here who actually found the gut follow that um instruction and they say it was all bluff and you call the bluff and you end in that surrender of just love of being so that sadness is the same thing as you could probably guess because such it ananda being knowing loving to be it's all the same thing it's not five things ten things twenty things is the mind that differentiate oh this frequency we call fear this frequency we call shame this frequency we call sadness or this vibration we call this you know mind giving labels labels and mapping the whole reality with ten thousand colors shades and and stuff but the raw energy is just the same love of being it's just the same benevolence wanting to be loved and safe and and and just you know that primordial cause of that pure potentiality that emptiness to appear as form for knowing of existence and loving to be and expressing that so can you see the beauty in sadness can you see the beauty in in because without sadness you wouldn't know joy and sadness is clearly and another side of the same coin the appreciation of love again can you even strip the label sadness off and be present to the raw sensation the raw vulnerability strip the label vulnerability also and just ah again die into it into this moment defenseless completely defenseless the worst that can happen you can find you can allow yourself tempting yeah yeah yeah just allow yourself faint for half a minute or you know it's just so what you know nothing more can happen you're not gonna die of heart rupture or anything like that just yeah that's the invitation and also you know the invitation is a little bit paradoxical because what the main predicament here is that there is no doer and there is no one there's no little ismail that can do that can follow the instruction and do what is told none of that is true and yet the same life essence expressing through this or expressing through bob saying full stop pause is the energy the same one energy inspiring inviting inviting the music you can tune in and your body will respond your instrument like he would say you know you put a guitar in one corner of the room and you push the strings or punch them and the guitar in another part of the room may actually respond that's the resonation still not do worship that is still not me speaking and you following instructions but it may happen that somehow that idea hmm okay i'm actually curious enough and see where it takes me just really see where it takes you you just gonna just it's not so bad where you are it's okay but if there is a longing if there is a calling for the depth well maybe you'll answer that call and i see we have a couple of hands oh i'm sorry guys so we have who was first did you see uh ann was first and was first and and would you like to unmute oh uh yes i think i think i'm i'm okay now um i just wanted to ask about an experience i had the other day and uh there was an arising of bliss but there was something within the experience of bliss that that contained some fresh experience of space and breath and i just was wondering if you could talk about um the place of breath in the experience of now you know uh and yeah that's it yeah what a beautiful reminder and breath what a wonderful invitation also as as as you've noticed yes anything that is immediate is straight away anchoring you back to this moment you can't breathe yesterday you can't breathe tomorrow so bringing the attention gently out from the imagination of past and future and other times and other places and other people and of everything that is not happening right now bringing that attention gently back to this current breath ah the amount of freedom that comes with that the attention that is released from that imagination from the grip of imagination just through gentle simple breath bob would have that pointer let the thought right on the breath he would say you know when you breathe in we call it inspire sometimes and then the thought inspiration comes it may hang it may hang it may linger or it may be just exhaled expired this is a lovely way to actually just bring yourself yourself as if you are attention you are always here you are always here but the attention bring it back home to this moment that's that's beautiful reminder the same thing happens if you just you know like bring the attention to the background sounds or sensations in the body you know you feel your feet you know you or anything that is happening presently that releases because habitually we have most of the attention lock up in the imagination and what ismail was saying you know the imagination of falling and having no uh no ground or sadness about what was you know the two years ago bob was here uh thinking about that which is not happening right now and having emotional response to the imagination because it is not happening right now it's basically trading the unborn buddha mind the miracle of this moment for for the mind for the mind for the thought and it's a habit no one is guilty of it it's a habit that might have been practiced for decades but the habit can be broken through recognition and a breath is a lovely lovely reminder thank you for that and i think we're gonna give word to laird yes thank you thank you so very much uh cat so um i i i have been able to follow uh up to being able to eliminate the concept of i and me and the rest of those pronouns but um but and i want to be able to myself be able to eliminate it uh in all these situations and i struggle with for example i'm trying to simplify this two situations one i'm sitting in a movie and just directing my focus to what's happening what's happening out there and the other situation where uh i i have two hours to and i need to do something and i am mentally planning step by step and sometimes it all goes my way and at the end of the two hours i can write a piece of paper what i did from the beginning to the end and so that second situation where i've i'm inputting my intention and doership and all these things it makes it difficult for me not difficult i uh it's just i want to be able to see through all that and eliminate the eye yeah thank you yeah wonderful what a brilliant question and it's so applicable and and it's so relatable recognizing
That you are being lived.
That you are being thought. And this is, again, one of the most elegant practical pointers that Bob would hammer down to people. Do you know what your next thought is going to be? Do you know what you're going to think next? Wait and see? Oh, you didn't even know I'm going to ask that question, did you? So how could you even know that you're going to be even thinking about what's your next thought going to be? You couldn't even know that. It depends on 10,000 things. So you don't really think your thoughts. Your thoughts are arising in response to completely unpredictable 10,000 things dancing together as one.
Now you're planning your activity for the next two hours. Hmm, really? Can you actually see that you are not doing any of it? The next thought, which you don't know what it's going to be, and the next thought, which you don't know what it's going to be, every single thought is the whole world, is the whole dream dancing together and this biocomputer calculating the outcome and woof, there it is. Wow. Discovered in conscious consciousness. You are the open space of consciousness. You are the open space of consciousness, limitless, personless, timeless, spaceless, and woof, there is a thought. I am going to do this. And this thought, because it says, I am going to do this, stride away, suck up all the attention.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm that person in a thought. But are you really? You are still the consciousness registering the thought arising. The thought has arisen in consciousness and has been registered. Now the next thought comes, ah, no, I don't want to do it. I hate doing it. That's registered also. And then, ah, shit, what if things don't go my way? I need the plan B. That's registered too. You can see how the way you not do the seeing, you're not doing it, you can't do it. You can't keep your eyes open and stop seeing. This is the function of the machine. It does itself.
Thinking is the same. This is the cut. Thinking is the same. When you look again, you look at the animals, or you look at the birds, they are moved by life, you know, and they still do everything that is required to be done. Birds will find mates, will start nesting, and then will bring the youngs, and will find, will hunt, or will avoid being hunted. All of that is part of the functioning. And life moves them. Life is beating your heart. Life is thinking your body, mind, machine. Life is that energy, is that electricity, which is moving through the system, and translated by that incredible biocomputer into the field of seeing.
This is life. This is life. Now, translated to seeing. Because every expression is unique, you know, you are seeing, and you're looking, and your partner is seeing, and is looking, and different things caught the attention. You know, like, you know, like, I used to have it, yesterday, Dean and I were driving, and looking at things around, and I've noticed a beautiful, sparkly, gorgeous shoes of his niece, while he noticed, what is the name of that part of the car? The wheels, the wheels, the mags. It's an aluminum sort of a thingy of wheels. Looking at the same environment, picking up different things. That's, you know, that's the conditioned response.
That's how the, that's how the infinite omnipresence can see the 10,000 dreams through 10,000 cameras. You know, like, you know, like, in your shopping mall, you have 10,000 cameras, everyone a little different angle. I see the shiny shoes, he sees the wheels, someone else sees the colors, the skies, the flowers, the, the, interactions. is amazing and you are that consciousness looking through this particular machine so the looking is already limited to this machine as the as the looker the seer you are associated and limited to the body but as the consciousness you're not yeah and it's a lovely question and see how applicable it is in absolutely everything in life like again you're not beating your heart you're not breathing your lungs you can breathe faster only if you have a thought to breathe faster and you can't have a thought to breathe faster until environment somehow inspires that thought so where is the where is any space for the me for the I the doer to choose to breathe faster or not to breathe faster or to do the plan of gardening or whatever the plan is required or to have plan B where is any space for any me to have any saying if I don't know my next thought so I'm always that open field of registering and the fun thing is you know and Ismail was asking does sadness does sadness come up absolutely welcome don't have to even label it sadness it's delicious it's just another costume of love grieve yay I'm actually grieving a friend not Bob predicted that you know because he was always all pervading space and he never stopped being all pervading space the sense of connection never really faded so but yeah there were people in my life who came for a flush and disappeared and the mind kicks a sink oh maybe they should they shouldn't have gone or mind kicks a stink or maybe it shouldn't be a winter or you have a cold shower and the mind kicks a stink oh no no this is too hard but when you see this is the conditioned machine responding as it has been conditioned it's not you it's not personal wow amazing you don't even mind the mind and that's when the freedom comes because there is often this misconception especially in non-duality or other spiritual circles that I should never feel angry again I should never judge I should never crave chocolate would I would I if there is no I there but the program of judgment is running and you realize that there never was an I and the problem of a program of of judging was running how come it could disappear overnight it makes no sense but now this program isn't me anymore so I'm not gonna beat myself up for that commentary to arise the commentary is discovered just as much as the mood is discovered as the weather is discovered anything that shows up on the screen of awareness is wow okay there is no objection to that which arises there is no objection to pain there is no objection to past memories fears I have really really cute and funny sort of abandonment trauma from childhood and sometimes I can feel it I can see it coming up into the surface and wow always amazes me that this is still playing that old tune it's kind of you know like if the judgment was to come like seriously but is there and wow that's cool it doesn't cause suffering the same thing that used to cause suffering now it causes amazement being just openness being curiosity and Joe always reminds me that you know the most beautiful way of and this is and this is a great wisdom of the of life of exploration is to sit with the discomfort a little bit longer than you can because the mind will really seriously have to surrender what an invitation Joe would you like to add to it no not today okay and any one of you guys Tony we we didn't hear you or anyone yeah oh please yeah um yeah it's going on for Elijah was asking and what you touched on I think about about turning you gave the example of turning up the notch on the panic and I feel like when I'm feeling intense emotions and I try to soften the attention and just feel the raw data um it sometimes just leaves but not in a nice way um it doesn't feel um like sometimes comparing it to like needing to sneeze but not um and I'm not sure if that's um it doesn't it doesn't feel like I felt the emotion it just it just goes away and I'm not sure if that's some kind of suppression or pushing away but my intention is just to feel it through and I um and there has been times in meditation where it's the complete opposite where she's spontaneously I've started crying the body just is needing to go through these emotions but most of the time yeah it's like I I want that dial to turn up but the end result is turning down and feeling muted and empty but not in a good empty way the more like uh yeah denial yeah yeah so um that gets a bit confused and frustrating because my yeah um but yeah that's I just that's my experience with that yeah yeah it is actually it is a quite beautiful and vulnerable topic and thank you for sharing it it's you know the the strategies of suppressing expressing denying all those ways of dealing with emotions are strategies that the machine has unconsciously devised you know some sorry there are situations in life when expressing emotions is just impossible you can't you know scream throat tantrum cry in public when you are an adult or you know and also suppression it kind of it will find another outlet it will go unhealthy it will go cancerous suppression expression and denial doesn't really work acknowledgement in the awareness curiosity around the emotion and again if those strategies have been put in place they obviously survival survival strategies there might not be a safe place to live through and experience the emotion fully especially if you don't really have like you know growing up don't really have a safe environment or even coping mechanisms that would allow you to do that so the mind is always doing the best it can to survive but today as you are actually attracted to that deep investigation finding a space in which you are genuinely curious about every emotion but not the story around it which can still be traumatizing but the raw raw emotion like raw vibration raw echo of that emotion in the system like what does it do to your breathing what does it do to the heart rate where is it showing up as a block or tension just genuine curiosity and again watching the mind responding to it also the suppression expression denial beautiful what an incredible study of the of the mind and again this is one of Bob's pointers which can't be overestimated how much of the learning and insights one gets through watching the mind learning your own machine how it deals with the unpredictability how your own navigational system navigates but again acknowledging those strategies recognizing those are protective strategies there is no negative intent in anything that this machine the machine is a survival tool it does not have negative intentions it feels counterintuitive when you have that horrible judgmental voice I hate you you are useless you good for nothing you just you stupid you this you know doesn't sound like it is a survival mechanism but again the whole machine learns through imitation it just doesn't have a better role models to find a way to motivate itself to move ahead it's an unfortunate sort of a learning curve it's not against but yes yes they are situations when people do and animals apparently also take their own lives and that's also love of being if the being got no quality whatsoever the most loving thing may be to just end it and of course if you again ever find yourself in that place ask yourself is that really the most loving thing or perhaps lifting that self hatred or seeing through that negative voice or changing circumstances would be a better option because the love of being is always there and most of the there was there was a research on the suicide line when people were asked you know if your problems were solved would you still want to die oh no of course not loving to be is loving to be is the original cause of existence self evident love of being appreciation love beauty but yeah it's just I don't know anyone else wants to comment on that one this is such a beautiful big topic the you know watching the mind and seeing the strategies in which it copes you come on you have so much experience in different modalities not really yeah please like I I think you know here we are like it appears that we're in this room and we're discussing different things and you're going to walk out and walk away and watch like the circumstances and the things that come into the attention and you know all of a sudden a pattern or behaviour or something that you're seeing in a particular angle will just shift on its head and it's not you doing it it's not there's any no wise words coming out of here or there or anywhere but like the whole of creation the whole of consciousness will change and the little details will make something that was hidden appear something that was appearing hidden and shift the whole view the whole perspective you know Kat spoke a lot at the start about and gave an example of like a like a camera and this is one particular lens or one particular camera and there's billions of cameras and like wow like if the camera is made of why if this bio camera like bio computer camera of the body is made of circuits circuits
And biology and like you can alter it, like alter a chemical, but tweak it by this way, not that you're tweaking it, like something in the food that you eat has tweaked the chemical, which has changed the scene like this, which has altered this, which has altered the next thought, which has altered the whole show is, you know, when people say this is one essence, patterning, shaping, forming, it's not like, it's not a theory, it's not a, it's not, it's, wow, when the concept actually drop, you actually, that's what appears.
I'm not saying it's the truth. I have no idea what the truth is. There is no truth. And, um, but in that, you know, ah, wow, you start, you know, everything, the wow-ness starts to come in, the marvelling of existence itself, and not worrying about taking care of any part of it, because it's all actually been done, and it's all always been done, and it will never not be done. So they will be done is, is, you know, is really, like, in the, in the seeing, like, the seeing is that they will be done, and everything is being done, and that in itself, like, just breaks and dismantles old patterns, old habits.
I mean, I think it was a manual, wasn't it? Like, yeah, at the start, you talked about falling into a bottomless pit, you know, and, and, and looking for a, a, a point of reference that, that is now becoming, like, obscured, like, is there a really a reference point anyway, and, and falling into not knowing, and, like, you know, you'll walk out in the room, and all of a sudden, you'll find comfortability in not knowing, like, oh, actually being, you know, I'm not suggesting, or saying, or foretelling, but, like, it'll change the whole view, and the whole concept, and the whole dilemma that was once there.
I think you also mentioned about the moment, you know, like, holding the moment, and, and trying to, you know, make the next moment something, or, or holding on to the previous moment that was good, or bad, or, um, you know, another brilliance about all this is there is only one moment, there's only ever been one moment, and in that moment, there is no other moment, like, this is the moment, and it's always been this, and it can't ever be anything other than this, and the this-ness is really simple. You know, you know, it's like, absolutely simplicity, it's always this, it's always now, um, and everything is appearing in, in, in the immediacy, um, and it always has, and so, but back to that, like, that camera, that computer, that, that thing that's seeing, can be altered in so way, so the whole, what is being seen is in constant flux, in constant change, not just because of the, the system can change, but, like, there's infinite factors.
The whole of creation, the whole Maya, the whole illusion, the whole dream is nothing appearing as something that is in constant change, and, you know, like, I think there's something, like, magnificent in realizing that. There is, there is, then there's, there absolutely, there's no point, there is nothing that you can pinpoint, there's no one to pinpoint, there is no, like Laird was saying, like, the I that was planning, the, the idea of an I that is planning is part of the same appearance, part of the same show. There is no I, there is no self, as such, who's got some volition, and, and will, and choice.
That idea of a self appears in the dreamlike appearance of everything. It, it appears in the same place where constellations appear, where universes appear, where, where time and space, and, but it's all immediate, it's all absolutely now. And in that realms, ideas, thoughts, beliefs in the me, beliefs in a, in a perspective, a view, a point of view from, all, all seem to appear, but none of them hold any, any long, any more ground. Like, none of them can be the truth. None of them can be reality. Yet, they are all, all part of the beauty of the, of the show, the, the kaleidoscope of the universe that's appearing.
And, and, and the ground in which it, that is viewed on, it's like, wow, there's a liveness. I don't know what it is. I, I, I know there's infinite arrays, infinite displays of this kaleidoscope in, in endless forms and expressions and, and, and colors and ideas and, and beliefs. And, and, and it includes every psychology, every religion, it includes the big bang, it, bang, it includes the Buddhas, it includes the teachings, the pointers, like, there is no pointer. Like, I, I look at the pointers, you know, and the pointers, like, dissolve, like, the best pointers in the world dissolve, or, or there's an idea that a dean once got a pointer.
And, and then idea collapses, and, you know, like, there, there is no final destination. There is no, um, place in which, or, or a position, or an ultimate viewpoint, or an ultimate idea of reality, or an ultimate idea of realization, or enlightenment, or, or getting some final place of truth, or, or, ah, now I've got it. now i can rest in this uncomfortable feeling of being there no no there is nothing like that at all but it's just but there's an immediate aliveness which is absolutely which and the good so that's good news and and it's bad news too because um but the good news is that there's nothing that anyone needs to do and you've heard that before um and it really there really isn't anyone there is nothing that can be done but everything has been done at the same time the dream appears to be in constant doing mode um but there is no doer the divine doing the divine maya the leela um yeah the illusion appearing as something solid and real and making it substantially you know whoa this is a struggle that we need to get out of or whatever but there never was uh what was the question i don't know what we started no this was this was delightful uh yes you got that you check that yeah i'm checking that yeah we have quite a few people watching with us but there are no questions so if anyone on facebook live would like to hop on zoom and ask questions verbally that would be lovely if not you can also type and alert alert you're gonna uh would you like to unmute okay yes uh let um so for me just to bring it on home my homework is um that um when i enjoy use um and i'm a little shy because i know i i could always be more accurate in articulating this but i'm sure you'll know what i'm trying to say so you know during you know so uh i see maybe uh it's in in in some way theoretically it's not even important to use my mind ultimately but if i if i catch myself off guard and like i use my mind all day long maybe my homework is to sometimes pause and and realize uh and and and observe directly that whatever i'm think i'm thinking is really just a thought coming up and it's not me yeah okay yeah beautiful this is a difficult one you well done this is a difficult one to express because you know when you say oh i'm gonna watch that i am using my mind but hello there's no one there using mind so maybe i'll watch then how the mind is using me or uh uh you can't express it properly but you jump right into the appropriate sort of very very relatable expression i just stop just pause just pause and see that no one is doing anything no one is doing anything the thought just arises the mind is just being utilized your heart is just beating the seeing just happening everything the whole universe runs by itself the sun is just shining no one leads the sun no one moves the planet around it no one circulates the blood in your system no one fires the synopsis in your brain no one is moving the limbs to grab thing to drink the tea wow yeah what a mystery what an incredible mystery and all goes on smoothly everything is registered in that consciousness yeah this is amazing and what dean was saying you know you can see the whole kaleidoscope flying and moving and changing and the dreams and the fantasies and the thoughts and here and there one at the time only now so the now is the time to actually marvel at the whole display happening of its own by itself without any doing including the narrative oh shit i shouldn't have done it i made a mistake oh shit i need to apologize that is also happening that's the part of the whole shabang and what's really beautiful is that the you know the it's like a shift in attention attention that was once focused on a narrative um listening to the the thoughts in in in in the head that was saying you know it's this way it's that way it should be this way could be that way it would be better if this way i'm this kind of person i'm that kind of person he's that way he's good he's bad this is right this is wrong all that kind of um self-referential narrative that is sort of um taught and um learned and sort of conditioned or whatever look oh the cat can explain all that how it formulates um and and how it sort of concrete ties as itself it solidifies it seems to solidify the good news is that you know perhaps coming to these groups and listening to this message and and whatever it is seems to um free up the attention that was once focused on all this kind of uh ideas thoughts beliefs structures all self referential self-identified um kind of ideas um and freeze it up and in that freedom the attention that was once so laser focused focused on that has now ability to relax and and take in the whole of existence the whole not not existences in the details of existence because but that that can happen too but more marveling in the fact that aliveness is actually happening in itself there's an aliveness in which everything is allowed to appear everything has the ability to appear because there's aliveness itself um and and the attention can sort of marvel and focus on on that existence um you know you call it consciousness i mean you call it um aliveness call it call it now call it presence call it um satchitananda satchitananda exactly um but you know you could call it this uh it's really simple too and and freeing up the attention from our our narrative um into existence itself is is yeah it's worth it's worth every bit of it and not it's like well it's absolutely just nothing really is it it's like it's not it's not i'm not i've made almost made it sound special there's nothing special and it's absolutely miraculous yeah yeah it could have been nothing and look at this yeah then we didn't hear you for a while you have incredible insights i won't say much um yeah so um i guess we just we can't describe this um so i guess all we can do is uh dissolve into it um um any word that we put on anything is borrowed from the past so so if we look at anything it's from the past um from we've either learnt it or picked it up along the way um and the same way for thought um we just mistaken the word for the actual thing um and that's where we create our divisions and we start dividing reality from what it actually is so if we just relax and dissolve into the fact that we've picked up all of this stuff um either from our parents or well it started there probably when as bob used to say when we're about two or along that time and if we just forget what we've picked up we're left with that and that's all there is um and we just relax and enjoy the ride because that's all we can really do um yeah that's it beautiful and and just now only now it's only there is really only now i had a line of coincidences lately um happening one after another in regards to this book that i published actually as a plan b when um we had an anniversary of bob's uh funeral and we decided to do a sea funeral and and go in a group of people and cast the ashes to the sea as the real sailor should the sea funeral for a sailor and i had the biography of his life already already written but my editors my proofreaders uh the three brilliant ladies that were looking through it uh were actually just really really doing it very thoroughly and very very slowly and it wasn't gonna make it for on time so that was plan b plan b i was requested by a few people over the years emails about the book that bob written by himself beyond words beyond mind why is it why isn't it available digitally i say well i have 300 copies of books at home i can't actually uh make a kindle that will have 20 pages i just really want to sell the books that i paid for and i and i have published uh then there was another version suddenly presented itself which bob absolutely loved in collaboration with andrew uh who received the manuscript and downloaded really another sort of an hour of writing in completely bob's style and bob read it and said wow you seriously channeled me andrew so that version also has landed in this book uh another one in the last minute just before publishing uh uh someone from sweden actually tried to obtain the manuscript of of one of the meetings that were transcribed uh of bob's commentary on since mink she couldn't get it so she transcribed it herself that landed in the book and at the at the bottom of the book i actually wrote there is also unpublished part of that i found in bob's notes uh on on words and awareness and it's just really it's it's pretty very intelligence versus thought i think i might have read fragments uh but the line of coincidence that brought me to the book uh also contains the funny joke about the 42 you know you
And if you want to come here by tram, it's 42.
Bob never read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, but I told him often enough, and so did the callers from around the world who were trying to find him here, that 42 was the answer to life and the universe. So if you really want to answer, 42, the truth, what was the question? Yeah, the thing is, it's unknowable. So 42 is as good answer as any. So I wrote the chapter 42, the chapter 42, being, yeah, being 21 key concepts of Bob's teachings and 21 metaphors. And that's why I wanted to just read the first one. It's okay, I can hold it. I can read just the first one.
It's a funny little graphic of the two sailors. and the first the first and it deserved the point one number one concept the full stop full stop and i think you learned you said it you know the pause just stop and the most beautiful pointer you know what's wrong with right now if i don't think about it wait wait wait let me see let me see what's wrong with right now hmm you've got to stop and see so the full stop and the key concept says here the only way out of the mind is a full stop in a single instant of passing thought you do not fall apart or disappear and this is often what bob would actually suggest to people have a look right now what is wrong if you don't think and then as the hopefully everyone pauses and verify that the mind will come up with problems but hey without the thought the mind will still try to rush for problems but hey stop it without the thought wow nothing wrong nothing wrong then the next question bob would say did you fall apart did you disappear was the existence still there wow and not a small thing you're not defined by your mind you're not defined by your problems the full stop the full stop can reveal so much and it's available every moment it's available right now so i'll read it again the full stop the only way out of the mind is full stop you can't find the answer in the mind you have to stop in a single instant of pausing thought you do not fall apart or disappear life goes on as it does it reveals the naked non-conceptual awareness that is the base for every movement you are even when the mind is not the stop pause right now i think one point is enough but i could i could keep reading they actually quite all of them they point to that which is clear and known intuitively already and it can be verified very simply very easily and we can chat about silence and we can point to stop pointing that's that's the mystery that's the joy that's the fun we often have and it comes back on the meetings we also have uh zoom meetings in in the evenings uh for you guys in in america it's a little bit difficult it's like very very early morning not everyone is willing to get up that early but if you ever move to you most welcome but if not you know you can always see us there on facebook live it stays for 30 days and then it goes disappears uh what was i gonna say i lost the train of thought anyway ah yeah i know it often comes up you know those all those spiritual jargons where um well people say oh if you really get it then you won't seek anymore that you don't need to come to any meetings or zooms or you don't need to read books or you don't need to watch the youtubes and look and seeking stops absolutely right but does the celebration of life stops no it actually starts seriously so those zoom meetings that we have is quite a lot of people they're coming who are not seeking anything but they actually sharing that joy and that's why bob loved those groups so much i mean even when when when when he was taking his last breaths he wanted that zoom meetings cast it on the tv there so he could actually watch and listen to people sharing their own clarity because whether you know it or not you hear you already have the final truth completely completely matured and and all pervasive in the system it's nothing that you need to find or achieve or develop it's nothing to seek really it's just the idea in the mind the idea that i am this separate little person that is not good enough and that separate little person will have to strive so in a future time it will become a better person or it will achieve a supreme state of a lasting pleasure all dream all thought appearing right now registered in consciousness that dream of being a person achieving supreme state in the future is a thought registered right now and you are that right now registering that dream relaxing the belief of being that alleged person having the alleged future it sometimes helps to actually look is there a future really have anyone ever experienced the future where is it if you don't imagine it well if you don't think about it where is it does it actually have location does it really exist same with past you know oh my childhood trauma you know i was born i i had abandonment issues yeah where is it where where is it is just a mental projection image in the mind and it's only there when it's thought on when that thought doesn't arise where is it is there a past is there a future really really because non-duality is about the direct knowing is about an honest and rigorous investigation of that what is right now not of not of that which is imagined and the future in the past is imagined and the me achieving supreme state in the future is also imagined and this is what bob was saying you know the trading unborn buddha mind of this mysteriousness of presence for the thought for that image imagined me achieving something in the imagined future this is the joke and seeing that joke and not laughing how can you it's fun just so does that mean that like i'm not going to find that place of eternal orgasm like one constant like bliss blissful he's saying it's a false he's saying it's not true yeah keep looking keep looking good luck good luck i mean you know i seriously i met people i used to hang out with uh in zen sanghas people who would wake up and torture their bodies every day at midnight doing 500 prostrations and sitting in meditations for hours they were older than me wasted all those decades oh you know the heart breaks with compassion but only if you think they separate because they are also you know the whole world appears in you in your dream people who are looking and never finding anything that they are looking they are no one there either this is also just life the same life expressing as a seeker i had that conversation with my dear dear friend who is my mom why isn't she ready to drop that stupid ridiculous search it's a torture she says not for me i love it i love putting on all those different concepts and ideas and maps of reality you know the trans surfing this conspiracy that love it it's just that's a thrill it's a joy i hope i'll never stop seeking okay wonderful okay so i'll just keep asking you what did you discover what's the newest conspiracy and we all gonna have fun this was my drama in this life story that the seeking was the constant heart breakingness and longing for the truth which i could feel that is there but i couldn't see it because i was looking through that avatar persona the me the limited the poor the miserable the stupid the unworthy not realizing that that mental image that that concept haven't always been there it has developed i wasn't born with that concept and even that concept was completely like unstable like unstable on a good days i wasn't poor and miserable i was quite all right on the terrible days oh i was much much worse so that concept yes okay just checking oh look at this beautiful cut there here on the screen oh my goodness yeah isn't it amazing i'm gonna show you guys here we have the cut just there yeah we have a couple of cuts here roaming around too but this one's so beautiful and i wonder if any one of you guys who is with us here and we still have few people anand and david george hayman julian uh would you like to say something add something ask something comment maybe contribute something anything it's just an invitation it's not not a push but uh we still don't have anyone saying a word on on facebook live which is good but it is a couple of final words yeah when please not it's a bit of when dean was talking i had like this picture like um imagination or image or whatever um that it's like sometimes it feels like we're swimming against the current instead of floating um and that that's really what it's like it's like we're resisting what's yes we're resisting life um and the way it's moving instead of floating and letting it carry us and when dean was speaking i i i could feel that coming through but that's yeah it's absurd isn't it it's like absolutely crazy imagine imagine resisting what is like when what is is all there is like it's undeniable undisputable you can't say it isn't and you can't and and then it's like more you know what i think it could be better or i think i think we could alter it i think we can make it a little bit i think if that bird sang from that branch the sound would sound better than and if the sunrise came from there and if and actually no if you if you're like if your eyes were a little bit different color you'd be whatever like it's just endless endless um you know everything is a dispute every mind every belief in a thought of uh an idea about me and the world is is a dispute about what is in that way um when it's self self-referential um like thoughts about descriptions or descriptions but imagine dispute imagine living a life which is what the whole uh the whole show is about really isn't it like being caught up in in arguing with what actually appears and saying well it's you know the examples you gave the bird in the tree the colors of the eyes those are easy to go with yes but witnessing the violent destruction of name and form yes it's much easier to get tangled up even if the witnessing and the destruction are all one thing and all part of the same thing but much harder to to to open up to yes yes yes that wanting to rearrange or resist yes the yeah so yes the particular forms right you don't mind destruction of bacteria when you get sick when you get you know a long yeah there is of course there's the arbitrariness about it and and more forms that i identify with and i don't get you the fickle the fickleness of the care yeah yeah yeah good to know isn't it yeah but so then where can that take you in terms of yeah that's exactly right yes where can it take you because it's endless and and the mind will continue to change and adjust and and and and actually the only place it actually takes you is that there's no actual conclusion that can be drawn from from any assumption any any any any mind based thing so then then you're left back with what the isness again um and there's no arguing with it anymore because the mind has it's almost like it it it um wears itself out in in computations and solutions and permutations and and always trying to improve it's even better and then it's just wrong it's like it's fruitless exercise like any energy that seemed to sustain it doesn't feed it anymore i mean that that's just an ex that's not the truth either that's just the way of speaking about things no that's that's that's perfect actually really see how it is endless if you want to engage with the mind good luck step down move back relaxed relax and watch the craze the absolute roller coaster of that being right and having preferences and this mosquitoes are okay to die but you know the bees are not okay to die and this uh and it's just divisions forever until you get really sick in the stomach are you okay shut up full stop now and a full stop is the bliss of being is always here it's never far away that veil of yapping chatting constantly complaining and comparing and dividing and segregating i agree with this i people what was it to make that sound again i repeat it i think we i think i think that's it's time yes that's the best sound for now thank you everyone thank you thank you thank you lots of love